Is this a reference to the refinery located in Bakersfield, Ca?
It is a small, out of date refinery once owned by Texaco.
If it was ever to become financially competitive, it would require a
large infusion of money.
When Shell attempted to close it after they bought Texaco, there was a
public out roar.
Shell ultimately sold it to Flying J, which to my knowledge is still
It is common knowledge that Shell is not really interested in the
refinery business in California.
Will have to wait and see what happens to the large Texaco/Long Beach
refinery Shell now operates.
Texaco was not famous for maintaining their facilities.
Yer wrong. NIMBY. California is a different country. Our laws prevent the
building of new refineries and drilling for new oil. I don't know why the
refinery closed in Ca., but I'm sure it wasn't through choice.
If we allow unrestricted drilling, the way things are now, it would have no
bearing on our fuel price. The oil would simply go on the open market. If
we would allow new refineries, the price would lower, assuming local crude;
how much, probably very little. The International market drives oil prices.
The only way to affect our prices is to mandate to American companies their
price structure if they wish to sell in the USA. That'll work.
Senator Clinton said (last night) that, if she were president, she would
file suit against the oil companies and oil producers under what was once
called the Taft Hartley Act. To wit monopolies. That will surely work.
Glad I'm not in Butte Montana with those fluctuating prices now. Beer was
pretty expensive there too (other than BUDMILLERCOORSMOLSON). I worked
there for a bit and really enjoyed it. Met really good people. Sang a
bit, danced a bit, drank alot and incline ramped my head off. Ah pre-
retirement. Screw the fluctuating prices, I'd go back in a New York
WOW! I never knew THEY were in those secret, closed-door energy policy
meetings headed by President Cheney! It's no wonder that regular-unleaded
has gone from .79/gal to 3.50/gal and diesel to 4.10/gal and oil company
profits reach record highs every quarter (not to mention Halliburton).
Dave in Houston
screaming bloody murder when some arctic caribou gets inconvenienced by
having to walk around an oil derrick (that will take up less than a few
tenths of a percent of the total available land area in that region).
If you're going to be dumb, you better be tough
Probably right before the part about how we
were going to invade Iraq.
Of course since those meetings were secret,
and no one in the Justice Department has had
the balls to prosecute the attendees for lying to
Congress about attending them, we may never
That is a very interesting statement considering that
Cheney successful quashed the Congressional effort
to obtain minutes of those meetings by citing executive
privilege. Which later made it all the more precious
when he later advanced the novel claim that the Vice
President was NOT part of the administration.
So please do tell us what transpired when Cheney met
with those Enron Executives six months or so before
Oviously not you. $.79 a gallon, 1979?, Must have been Cheney. It's really
sad that we pay less than half per gallon than most of the world (although
recently I think we are paying more than half). I don't think Hallburton is
into oil. They may transport it though.
Lets kill the rich, then we can work for the poor.
Ummm, have you checked Exxon's latest quarterly profit? [hint: it wasn't
up] From Forbe's.com: "The latest results fell short of the record $11.7
billion in earnings Exxon Mobil reported in the fourth quarter of 2007."
Earnings for the first quarter were $10.9 billion.
If you're going to be dumb, you better be tough
Aw, c'mon, Mark. Didn't you hear that Gore put in solar panels on his
mansion? Dunno if he did the same on his jet, but...it always strikes
me as wonderful how much money these guys make out of telling the rest
of us to live frugally, green, and wipe our butts an extra stroke in
the process, without wasting paper.
There's a big "Save The Trees" movement against printed junk mail,
these days. I don't like junk mail, but I do realize that 90+% of the
paper that goes into it, and most other printed material, is
specifically planted and nurtured for just that purpose, to make
paper. We're not dealing with virgin forests, but, essentially, with
But, hey, we don't want the natives getting restless. That would be
like wondering how Jesse Jackson, a preacher without any church,
always manages to make over a quarter million a year.
Many liberal policies make sense, but not even close to all.
Charlie, check Rev. Jackson and Rev. Sharepton again. A quarter of a
million to them is chump change. The Reverend Sharpton pays more for his
hairdo (whoops), I mean haircut, than President Clinton, Senator Kerry
and Senator Edwards combined. Up here in Windham, NY, I pay (still have a
pretty good head of hair) $12 and that includes a 20% tip.
Hair is about the only thing I have left. It costs about 12 bucks
here, with tip. Wotinell happened to the 75 cent haircut? My biggest
expense in the crotch. "Self, get yer hair cut!" Self, getcha
goddamned hair cut!" About once a week.
Several years ago, I got tired of being charged $20 to cut my mostly bald
head at barbershops. They'd zip along with an electric shave set on #3 level
to get the few hairs I had left that would still grow. Went out and bought
myself a hair trimmer for $25 and haven't paid a cent since. One of the very
few benefits of being bald, or mostly so.
10 years ago, the VP of sales of one of my principles commented to me,
"Lew, we will never see another grass roots refinery built in our
This from a guy who had spent his career in and around the "oil
Today, if you decide you want to build a refinery in some location, it
will take 20 years to overcome the neighborhood objections and the
environmental impact studies, before you can start construction.
The refinery at Gaviotta, CA stood complete but not commissioned for
about 5 years before some smart young oil company attorney figured out
it was less expensive to fight in court than it was to let the
refinery stand idle, so the law suits be damned, they started the
As far as I know, the lawsuits went away.
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