Obvious to anyone who's seen what the military can do in the last 20 years.
You didn't? This doesn't look familiar? You wrote it this afternoon.
"Try acquiring a target in ANY boat! I can hit a metal chicken (18" at
200 yds) with a 100 yr old bolt action rifle, but put me in a boat and all bets are off. I think I could do a kill maybe one out of 5 at 30 yds. I doubt even the best SEAL could do better."How about you put down the bottle before continuing this discussion. :-p
It must be just me. Seems the whole world has gone dense between the ears the past couple of days. Beats me how you think I meant shooting a custom offhand in a 25m event. By all means, though, bring what you got. Any other time, maybe, I would chat you up about the Colt, but for right now, just put it back in its case so the sun doesn't shine on it.
Simple. I can detect bullshit and boasting, and lack of real information. I can also detect ah hominem attacks.
Agreed. These days, we seem to need to attribute human expertise, gained by many, many, many hours of practice, to machinery and electronics. Tain't necessarily so. In fact, it isn't often so, IMO.
That tow rope, kept taut, would help stabilize the ratshit's boat, making a better target.
Jeez, what a lot of swamp gas over something so similr. If you read the books about Carlos Hathcock, you'll run across the tale of him setting a scope on a big .50 MG, using it single shot, and snipping at ranges that would give a ghost the creeps...or make more ghosts.
As time passed, weapons improved, but, jeez. hand-polished bullets when you're up to your ass in jungle, wading through streams, crawling in mud, sweating fear bullets, using your clothing as a toilet to keep from having to move, staring down poisonous snakes...nah. Same for all the millionth of a second shit. Gunpowder burns, slow or fast, it burns, but not that fast. I enjoy Childs' books, but it's time to bring in that "willing suspsension of disbelief" when you KNOW he's full of crap. He's another writer who either has never been in a fight, or hasn't since childhood. I laughed my ass of with Dan Brown's tales of fights in his best seller, but it was bad enough I couldn't finish the book. Childs isn't that bad, but for a Brit, he doesn't do too badly with U.S. weapons--most of the time.
The story of Hathcock working a counter-sniper tactic hunting down a VN sniper and finally nailing him--with a bullet right through the optics of the enemy sniper's scope as he was aiming at Hathcock--is a classic, and well illustrates the lack of the likelihood of perfect weapons and ammunition, but the abilities of a single man on a mission, with a lot of experience and a lot of expertise.
True. And the 1911s we were stuck with in the Marines were far better up close where you could whap someone on the head with the thing, or throw it like a rock.
The Bainbridge is something like 500 ft length, 65 foot beam, displaces
9000 or 10000 tons. She is not going to be bobbing around much in calm water. The sniper shown in the ABC demo was firing from a much smaller vessel and hit 10 for 10.The most impressive achievment IMHO was the teamwork of the 3 snipers being able to take their shots and hit the pirates nearly simultaneously.
I finally watched your ABC vid. That was a bogus demo, as is typical of the media, the boat the sniper was on being a fairly large platform, much more stable than a powered inflatable, the choice of most SEALS. In fact, it looked big enough to overwhelm any opposition whether it had snipers aboard or not. I was referring to a small powered infatable and stand by my claim.
I have no doubt SEALs are better shots than I, but a boat (not ship!) bobbing on the open sea shooting at another boat bobbing on the open sea ....not some sheltered harbor for bogus demo's sake.... makes sniping all but impossible, no matter how good a shot you may be. First, all that movement makes high power optics useless. Second, at 25 yds, a good pistol shot would be more practical, and good snipers are now trained in long range pistol shooting, which is nothing at all like sniping.
Try again. I'll debate you with a bottle for each hand and still outshoot you.
nb
Ok, let me get this straight. You call a 500ft. Navy Destroyer with a 9000 ton displacement a boat?
Yeah, those things just bob up and down like crazy in calm seas, don't they?
Did you even read the accounts of this event?
I can see this is pointless. Toodles.
nb
I take it by your juvenile reply, that you either didn't read any of the accounts of the event or sobered up and realized you were spewing BS. :-)
Something else.
What is it about "First liar doesn't have a chance", you two don't get?
Lew
What's your point?
This has been going around. Although it is not considered to be the actual sniper event, it is a good portrayal. And it shows some navy humor as well.
...I managed to wangle a 1911 as a sidearm in VN, seeing as how we flew around with virtually no armor I figured a good place for a large hunk of metal would be between my legs. I even shot it a few times...once at a 55 gallon drum not 25 feet away; the round clanked out and missed by 5 feet...I *swear* on my expert rating with a .38 that I was aiming true (come on, it was a 55 gallon drum!). Which led me to believe that that particular hunk of steel was one Sgt York had contact with...
cg
I was issued one in Nam and carried it for a month, until the time came to use it.. YUK.. I've heard good things about "sporterized" 45's, but the one the gave me was a POS..
Used it one time.. At a backlit target about 10 or 12 yards away, laying prone with the 45 on a sandbag.. Emptied the sucker and when the "target" was recovered the next morning, I'd only hit it 3 times.. Went to the airbase the next time we were in base camp and bought a .38 and never regretted the change.. YMWV
mac
Please remove splinters before emailing
...heh...well, as far as accuracy you're right on the money, but *my* needs were satisfied with the added "armor"...I was a Barney Fife-type...after finding out how it fired, I only carried one round chambered, that one was for me (the VC didn't like scout pilots...)...we had lots of other ordinance and different firearms, plus I was invulnerable. ;0) cg
The military issue .45 auto was designed to do two things. One, deliver a lethal pill to the enemy's body. Two, do it every single time the trigger is pulled. Failure on either point is almost always a case of operator error. In short, ya' gotta be smarter than the tool.
nb
...uh, yeah? That's exactly what a mentor of mine once said as I was cursing at a door I couldn't make work right. Difference is, I had the tools and time to make that door work (and realize I was truly smarter than *it*...after all) and in the case of the weapon no amount of skill on my part was going to make it shoot better...luck, maybe so. My intent in my post was a little humor, nothing more.
...are you sounding condescending on purpose?
cg
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