Why a rewrite? They read the "tea leaves" and came to their conclusions.
The "wonk" on MSNBC is gloating, something a real journalist would never
do, but that was MSNBC.
As for Obama being reelected, no, I really do not like it. However, a part
of me sees this as poetic justice. He has had a major hand in creating, and
continuing to create, the current mess. Its only right that the rewards of
his first four years fall into his lap for the second four.
That may be the way to look at it.
I wonder how long the before the people realize obama has defunded
Social Security with his cut in the employee's contribution to the
Social Security "Fund" by about 30% (I believe from 6.4 to 4.4 unsure
of the decimal numbers) or a total cut of about 15%. Fortunately I am
old enough that I will not be effected in this cut in the funding to my
Social Security check as I will probably die before the effects of the
cut become apparent.
Just for the record I have paid into the system for over 50 years, so I
don't consider collecting it, welfare. That is what the democrats
promise when they created the Social Security Insurance system in he
1930's. (Or were we lied to about that too)
As for the Medicare that I receive I am paying over %1200 per year for
that insurance plus the private insurance I care. Most people even
those on Social Security do not know they pay it, but it is deducted
from the SS check. How much will the Coastal City Taker pay?? Where do
you think the 500 billion came from that obama moved from the Medicare
system to pay for their coverage.
It is going to be pure pleasure listen to the Coastal City Taker when
the full load of the medical reform cuts in.
There will be many drug makers who will stop making the expensive low
mark up drugs. (Production cost+Research cost compared to sales price.)
Who will do the expensive research when the companies can no long afford
They are going to be surprised when the cost of band aids, and other
medical devices go up a minimum of 2.3%. If you read the CFR you will
be surprised at what is considered a medical device. If you receive a
drug in a self-application system that is a medical device.
What is really going to be interesting is when they are being taxed for
not having insurance. Remember the Supreme Court Ruling. This is
another thing that obama has covered up, he promised not to increase the
taxes on middle and lower income people. But there it is in black and
white, at tax on the poorest people in the country.
The system that the social democrats and obama have set up, is bound to
fail. It has failed every time it has been tried in the world. The only
economic system that has repeatedly succeeded is the one create by the
participants in oldest profession in the world that is Capitalism.
Unfortunately it took Russia about 70 years to fail, and they are still
struggling to fix the system. Cuba's system failed in about 30 years
but they still will not accept "glorious system" failed. So I will be
long dead when the socialist system in what was the United States fails.
Unfortunately look at the way the people live in those socialist states.
PS: I understand you can get some great old cars from the 40's 50's and
60's in Cuba, a collectors dream.
On Sun, 11 Nov 2012 10:44:22 -0500, Keith Nuttle wrote:
Well, once again we agree - something must be wrong with the universe :-).
I don't know about that. There was a study some time back that said that
something like 80% of drug company "research" was reverse engineering a
competitors product so they could modify it just enough to get their
Not to mention the horrendous markup on most non-generic drugs. There's
something unethical about gouging the sick to get rich.
Repeatedly succeeded? It's been replaced everywhere by a mix of
capitalism and socialism. Most have a little more socialism in the mix
than we do and some of those, like Germany, Japan, Canada, and more, are
doing better than we are.
Yabbut, a lot of those are ForChryolets :-). Sometimes hard to tell how
they started out. Same with motorcycles. But the ingenuity involved in
keeping them running is amazing.
When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and
carrying a cross.
In the last several thousand years every time the socialist turn their
head or a socialist state has failed a Capitalist state has returned.
Even today is place where socialism is the rule, like Russia, Cuba, etc.
the capitalist i.e black market is keeping the economies going
If it's Part B I'd like to know myself. I thought that Part B, which IIRC
is mandatory to get the other parts, had to be deducted?
And, its supposed to go up another $7 in January, which will just about
wipe out the proposed COLA. Bastards ....
But did you read the comment posted by one Dennis Byron? I would
suggest that you do so.
Not saying Mr. Byron is right or wrong, just that, like everything else,
there are two sides (at least) to every story.
Time will tell, but the manner in which this health care plan was run
through (Well, we have to pass it first before we know what it means) if
anyone told me the sun rises in the east and sets in the west - based on
the plan - I'd damn sure want a second opinion<g>
Obama Care is already passed and I'm no fan of it. I'm no fan of *ANY*
government edict or law telling individuals what they must or must not do in
their private lives and that includes telling restaurant/bar/business owners
that they cannot allow smoking in their establishment.
While I think it may be prudent of individuals to purchase medical insurance
I don't like them being required to do so. Yeah, I know...the employer is
going to provide it. That will either increase costs to consumers or the
employers will reduce working hours low enough so they don't have to
purchase it in which case the lucky worker will have to buy it out of HIS
pocket. Or both.
While I'm sure there will be those employers who dodge the new law by
watching the hours worked, the bigger issue will likely be just ignoring
the law and paying the fine. I have spoken with CPA's who've told me
that their world is all abuzz with that very thought. For many of their
clients - especially the big companies - it will be cheaper (as the law
presently stands - for them to simply say NO! and pay the fine.
You can bet your sweet patootie that aspect of the law will change quickly.
You can count on that report to be only partially true, and at best a guess.
Medicare Advantage insurance is subsidized in part by Fed payments to
the insurance companies that provide it.
Just plain old common sense and a bit of the way the world works
suggests that as those subsidies are decreased, it is a good bet that
the either the cost of Medicare Advantage insurance will go up, or the
benefits will decrease ... probably both.
Basically when dealing with any government program your best bet is to
take the most pessimistic view possible ... you will bear the brunt in
any case, particularly if you are a member of a specific demographic.
Not in part, totally. An Advantage plan gets a fixed monthly amount per
enrollee. That amount varies state by state, county by county, maybe even
city by city and is determined by the "normal" medical costs for the area.
It is then up to the insurance company to provide the necessary care for the
enrollee at a cost less than what they receive (assuming they want to not go
in the hole). One way they do that is (if they are an HMO) is by limiting
care only to their providers and via their contracts with providers which
may be less than Medicare would pay. That might be one reason why many of
the contracted providers have third world names.
The benefits can't go down. Not, at least, any that Medicare itself
provides because Advantage plans MUST provide the same. They could cut down
on extras like gym memberships, vision, etc.
The plans might certainly charge more (or refund less to the enrollee) but
given the extreme competition among them and the fact that they already
receive a bonus I'm thinking they will do more to curtail costs rather than
Actually what I said above is a unarguable FACT ... meaning you can
semantically argue all you want, but you are still not denying the FACT
that "Medicare Advantage insurance is subsidized in part by Fed payments
to the insurance companies that provide it". :)
If pigs had wings ....
Wishful thinking (with a bit of dissembling thrown in an attempt to
justify a position?)
The "Maximum Out of Pocket" amount is a "benefit" of an insurance plan.
A "Co-pay" amount for services, drugs, etc are "benefits" of an
When the cost of these key benefits to a policy holder INCREASE, meaning
the policy holder pays more "out of pocket" and more in "copays", the
insurance company is indeed REDUCING "benefits".
Another unarguable FACT. :)
Case in point: Each of the above has increased a minimum of 18 to 20% on
my particular MA from 2012 to 2013, not including the 12% increase from
2012 to 2012 in the premium.
IOW, the premium has increased, and the "benefits" of the plan have
That 500 billion+ the AHCA is taking from Medicare has to come from
somewhere, and in reality it comes from an increase in premiums AND a
decrease in benefits of Medicare Advantage plans.
You can disagree now, but trust me ... you will feel the pain eventually.
LOL ... and how does an insurance company curtail costs?? ... by
increasing premiums and reducing "benefits".
Go figure ... :)
Leave that dream world behind, Bubba ...before you find yourself in more
need than you planned for. ;)
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