Makes you wonder, doesn't it? And these folks are by and large _not_ of the generation raised on TV.
Of course, hero worship and hero envy are old beyond history.
Roy makes up a lot off-screen too....
Can't be, or he would do things Mike's way.
Besides, Norm has to be holding his pneumatic brad driver for his pronouncements to be infallible....
George responds:
Everybody's mother WAS a virgin.
Is Norm Jewish or does someone think Abram sounds Jewish? Honest question. I've never thought about it before. Probably never again.
Charlie Self "Health food makes me sick." Calvin Trillin
The high prietht hath heard your confethion.
He thayth "repaint and thin no more."
Not sure what you are saying, but you sure seem to enjoy saying it. Why not provide some criticism? So far all that has been said is that he stained mahogany. By all means give us more, something of substance, especially the woodworking part, since he is a "carpenter."
By the way, you can find plenty of pieces that run in the tens of thousands that are made of mahogany and stained. What was the historical reference that was used in the show that was such a travesty?
lol... the "rudiments" are lacking? Tell us more.
Can we see some of your non-crap finishing? What do you use? The other guy who was dissing him used stain on pine. He probably used a wreck approved top coat though.
Even if it is how not to do it !!!
That was in fact a comment on someones earlier observation
I have the utmost respect for carpenters, they make important contributions to construction on a daily basis
Ah so the idea of covering up a perfectly good piece of Mahogany with walnut stain wasn't Norms idea
Poly is probably the most durable but I don't care for it personally ,it looks like a sticky finish with no character, french polish is a great finish but very suceptable to water let alone alcohol. Tung oil in one of the constituents in varnish, on its own it will continue sink into the wood and gather dust in the wood pores until the surface is almost black. Even worse if at some later date you wish to refinish the item [perhaps to get back to the items real color] it is extremely difficult to get a finish to take due to the ingrained oil.
Yes i would say most are crap.
As important as finishes are your hero should perhaps consider doing at least a couple of programs on finishes alone, then perhaps he could enlighten the audience on why he picked a particular finish and how it was applied. Perhaps then your next comment would be answered.
In another post someone mentioned going to Charleston and seeing a piece of Mahogany and admiring the quality of the finish . The thing that struck me was he thought it was JUST a sprayed on finish . People should realize there is a little more to it than just pulling the trigger on a spray gun, similary with french polishing it is more than wopping on a bunch of shellac mixed with alcohol and bit of oil on and calling it french polished ,people used to be french polishers by trade ,much like carpenters are today with the exception that you had to serve a five year appreticeship before you qualified.
Right on.
"Nothing is ever *totally*useless*, it can always serve as a bad example."
And for all of that, you still haven't told us what finish we all are SUPPOSED to be using.
According to you.
- - LRod
Master Woodbutcher and seasoned termite
Shamelessly whoring my website since 1999
You're wasting your time p, or should I call you Mr. i? I've seen his type on the internet for years; all criticism, no examples of his own, better, work.
What is a wreck approved top coat, anyway? I hear bitching about poly, bitching about, shellac, bitching about French polish, bitching about wax. That almost leaves tung oil and lacquer. Are those it?
No one ever mentions Watco; is that verboten, too? I'm sure someone would bitch that all you do is slather it on, hit it with a few dozen paper towels (when everyone knows you're supposed to use lint free cloth), and then parade it around as if you'd done an actual finish.
Harrumph. Finishing snobs.
- - LRod
Master Woodbutcher and seasoned termite
Shamelessly whoring my website since 1999
Only when MIke is speaking Ex Cathedra, and, having seen his chair work, I feel that he's entitled.
Half a dozen rejoinders popped to mind. All of them without malice intended; all likely to offend someone, someplace.
All hell - "vive l'difference" and "can't we all just get along?".
I take it that you don't subscribe to "alt.binaries.pictures.woodworking" or "alt.binaries.pictures.furniture". If I had to choose a piece of furniture made by either Norm or Mike it would be Mr. Hide's for sure.
-- Jack Novak Buffalo, NY - USA (Remove "SPAM" from email address to reply)
Mike Hide? If so, please tell us the gnarly details of his fastener free, glueless, secret formula topcoated dream derriere dishes.
The "carpenter" in a repeat of his amateurish travesty of tv, used a spokeshave, chisels and a lathe to mangle what he called a chair. Pray, tell, how can we rise above?
The "carpenter" keeps going to museums where fools preserve stained mahogany and even dross cobbeled together with metal fasteners! Where can we go to see real furniture?
mttt asks:
Well, I still don't know, which fits right up there with how much I care. My remark was to the person who said he was Jewish, not meant as a snip at either Abram or Judaism.
I wouldn't even care if he was Scottish or Irish.
Well, no. No reason we should. But the arguments shouldn't be based on religion.
Charlie Self "Health food makes me sick." Calvin Trillin
On 24 Feb 2004 13:17:29 GMT, snipped-for-privacy@aol.comnotforme (Charlie Self) scribbled:
I haven't got a clue, and I care as much as you probably do. I vaguely remember someone asking or mentioning it or arguing about it on the wreck many years ago. I just thought it was a good line and stole it for the Anti-FAQ.
Ah! Actually, a Google search revealed that the Heartbreak Kid once said, back in 1996 when I started lurking here: "I believe that you are in error: although he is Jewish and a carpenter, he is not God." So, that's where I got the line.
Luigi Replace "nonet" with "yukonomics" for real email address
Y'need new glasses, Charlie, or perhaps you should sit closer to the front of the class. Luigi's statement that "Norm is Jewish and a carpenter and his mother was a virgin. 'Nuff said!" seems an obvious reference to someone else who flourished a couple millennia ago....
You also passed on my rejoinder that Norm could not speak ex cathedra without his brad nailer in hand as well.
I do not.
It's all a matter of personal preference. The computer desk is not my cup of tea. I wouldn't own it. But that has nothing to do with whether the workmanship is acceptable or the choice of finish. However, saying it's a piece of crap and not a good example of woodworking for the world to see just because it isn't my taste would be wrong.
I didn't see anything in either the joinery or the finish that would tip the balance.
And I still haven't found out what this mystical wreck approved finish is. I see he used lacquer on the wall. That's not often a practical choice for a variety of reasons. I hope that's not it.
- - LRod
Master Woodbutcher and seasoned termite
Shamelessly whoring my website since 1999
Does this mean that lacquer is the only acceptable finish for us to be pursuing?
- - LRod
Master Woodbutcher and seasoned termite
Shamelessly whoring my website since 1999
On Tue, 24 Feb 2004 08:23:09 -0500, " snipped-for-privacy@vcoms.net" brought forth from the murky depths:
Immediately following the Super bowl,
George W. Bush called the Patriots and complimented them on a great game.
Al Gore called the Panthers and said he thought they were robbed.
Bill Clinton called Janet Jackson.
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