I'm more impressed every time I see Woodworks. Norm's good, but David
Marks work is better.
I've built some of Norm's stuff. The projects look good and have been
David's stuff is at a level above Norms. Much more artistic &
creative. And very clever at getting things together, like the carved
bubinga mirror just on DIY this week. And he used HANDTOOLS,
something that Norm seems to actively disdain.
What do you think?
I didn't thing I'd said anything wrong about Norm. Norm's show among
other things got me interested in WW. I still watch every episode.
The result of efforts are always well made pieces of work. And I've
certainly put some money in his pocket by buying a plan or two.
All I'm saying is that there's room for a bit of style and there are
some situations that a hand tool is a better/easier choice than a
I don't think it's so much a matter of skill, i.e. one better than the
other. Rather they have different goals. Marks makes works of art, very fine
pieces of furniture you'd display in your formal living room. His show seems
to target the more advanced wood worker (or at least intermediate) and
projects seem to be a bit more time consuming and expensive.
Norm makes more practical, every day use stuff you'd put in the family room.
Also, Norm's projects seems to more target the beginner or intermediate
worker, and could be done in a brief period of time and lower budget.
Each guy just makes different stuff, targeted at different audiences. I like
'em both, and learn a lot from both.
On Tue, 05 Aug 2003 08:46:50 -0500, Lazarus Long wrote:
Take a look at www.djmarks.com. You'll find that David really is an
artist. As in, he has pieces showing in a number of galleries, has won
awards, and has participated in many exhibitions.
After looking at the pieces on his site, I now know that he's actually
simplifying many things for his television audience. Which is fine. I'm
sure it's difficult to come up with useful, aesthetically pleasing projects
who's construction can be demonstrated in a half-hour show.
As far as David's tools go, he comforably bounces from one extreme to
another. From cutting out a huge template on his bandsawrus to using a
simple hand scraper. He even sells his own multirouter for making various
joints. He certainly isn't shy about using the monster machines he has
at his command, but yes, he probably uses hand tools more often than Norm.
I tend to like David's stuff better too, but it's just personal opinion.
My roots are as a designer (my day-job is a web designer) so it's just
natural for me to lean towards the more studio-style designs. Plus I love
his use of exotic woods, which isn't everyone's preference, but I love it.
I just saw the tail end of the show with the bubinga mirror, I can't wait
until it's repeated on Saturday, which is when I usually tape his show.
So, we've got Uday and Qusay. Now, how about the Eapons-way of Ass-may
On Tue, 05 Aug 2003 14:08:04 GMT, "George"
A bit more style, more design makes things nicer. I didn't say
there's anything wrong with Norm's projects. It's just that David's
are more attractive.
I too make what I like while at the same time stretch a bit and make
things that require me to learn something. A trip to the lumberyard
is usually necessary too.
Of course you work exclusively from your own designs.
And I've yet to make anything I've seen on Woodworks. I just like it
I earn my living as a designer (not wood things). Very seldom have I
built something from a plan without modifying said plan.
> I think they are two totally different individuals.
Couldn't agree more! One is a master carpenter, while the other, a
furniture/woodturning artisan. Ideally, one would have Norm build
their home and have David make the funishings...big bucks there!
>but I dont like Davids personality as well.<
Any long-haired hippy freak (had to cut his hair for the show, I
suppose) that rides a Harley is A.O.K in my book...
> I have to admit that I am bias as I have spent a bit of time in
> school and I really tend to despise "arty" people who over
> little detail and take themselves and their work way too
Be kind! Artsy-fartsy folk are people too, ya know :-)
Well I have to be kind, my wife and I have just retired from the
building trade at 35 to make our living at out part time pottery
business, so we "are" artsy fartsy. We both worked full time in the
building and remodeling trade until last year when we decided it was
time to move on.
This I why I think I really like both of the people in questions work
but tend to like Norms grasp of real world mechanics better and I really
like Davids grasp of beauty and grace. Its like a Lion and a Gazelle.
I couldnt agree more with the other post saying that the perfect union
would be one building the house and the other furnishing, that woudl be
a sight to see.
Is this why I don't get to see Roy Underhill anymore?
Doesn't delta sell a treadle lathe or a line of froes that Roy could hawk?
I'm thinking that they could have an X5 branded used-hacksaw blade that
could be used to make a right angle saw or start selling the UniStick(tm), a
prime piece of green hickory.
Dunno. Woodcraft cut Roy off last year, shortly after the new marketing VP came
on board. Don't know how much of Roy's financing was WCS, nor do I know the
reason Shawn cut him off.
"The California crunch really is the result of not enough power-generating
plants and then not enough power to power the power of generating plants."
George W. Bush
Is his show still happening? haven't seen it in ages. Maybe he got
caught in one of those pump-organ lathes and got ground to death or
"Ahh, job hunt. Had an interview this week and all
I learned is this: Despite its name,
the company "Johnson Controls" does not manufacture condoms."
The sci fi groups have the "Predator vs Terminator" threads, we've got Dave
and Norm. A discussion comparing them is not only certain, it's certain to
happen time and time again.
And it has. :-)
Personally I watch the shows for tips. Joinery, prep, materials, tools,
jigmaking, whatever. I've used what I learned from both of 'em on my
projects. And I like comparing the different methods both of them take to
do basically the same things.
I might do one of David's projects, though. SWMBO wants a headboard and we
both liked the look of the one David made. I just checked and I'm all out
of 8/4 and veneer mahogany, so I'll have to make do with some South
American walnut for the panels and American walnut for the heavy stock.
It's the spirit of the thing that counts. :-)
Just five or six more "dothisfirst" projects, and I can start on it. I've
already started stocking up on Tung Oil.
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