Has anyone tried Kreg Pocket Hole Systems?
I received a link from FreePlans subscription about this system.
Does it substitute the biscuit joining system? Is it a good alternative?
I haven't purchased a biscuit joiner and would like to know. This is the
link that they sent me:
There's a page in there with videos:
(Sorry if my question is out of place but when I said newbie, I meant very
Not everything that can be counted counts, and not everything that counts
can be counted.
It is a good substitute for face frames and certain types of joinery, but it
is not a substitute for joining panels where biscuits are good for
Or you can be a true traditionalist and scoff at both. Mortise and tenon
would be the traditional joint for a face frame.
Every means of joinery has a place where it excels, places where it is as
good as anything, places where it is wrong. Don't take the approach that
since you have a pocket screw systems (Kreg or otherwise) that you don't
need anything esle because you will.
No need to apologize. There are various levels of skill here and most of us
are still learning from others. Over time you will define and perhaps
re-define what you want to do. I've yet to cut a dovetail while others
won't do drawers any other way. Some of us are steeped in traditions,
others want the newest technology. Some will take all day to make a joint
and get lots of satisfaction because it is done the "right" way. Others
will zip out a joint and take satisfaction that it will work but they save a
couple of hours. Over time you will find the journey to be at least as
important as the destination. Enjoy it.
Yes, it is considered by most to be the gold standard of hobbiest pocket
hole jigs. I own one and it rocks.
*in some cases*
Is it a good alternative?
That depends. It is a very effective, quick simple and *ugly* joint. It
really shines for face frame construction. But I would not use it where it
shows. I would consider PH joinery unacceptable for cabinet door
construction, but biscuits, although not my first choice, are acceptable
DAGS; it's not the first time this question has been addressed.
I have two biscuit joiners and bought the Kreg jig about 5 years ago. The
Kreg jig has just about put the biscuit joiner out of business in my shop.
If you can hide the holes it works great. It will not be a good substitute
if you do not want to see evidence of the pocket holes. Very hard to beat
for face frames on cabinets.
My opinion, and I use both traditional joinery, biscuits, and pocket hole
joinery, is, like every other type and method of jointing, it has it's
I consider them great for carcass building and a close tie with biscuits for
face frame making, I think biscuits are faster and, with some woods,
splitting can be a problem with pocket screws but not biscuits. I would not
use them in a situation where structural strength to resist racking was
That's my take
I don't have a Kreg pocket jig (yet), but this is an ideal way to
connect two sheets of wood or ply edge-to-edge when one side is not to
be shown. This is the (big) disadvantage of pocket holes--the large
ugly oval. Biscuit joinery is completely unseen and provides
alignment, unlike pocket hole joinery.
They serve different purposes. Biscuits are gee-whiz alignment
devices, while pocket joinery provides significant structural
strength (I posted pictures to
news:alt.binaries.pictures.woodworking earlier today of a
workbench built /only/ using pocket hole joinery).
I have, and use both.
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