Not only do our Borgs have them the local library now has one.
Supposedly puts one library clerk out of a job.
The actual result? If a human doesn't stand there and oversee the
device, people pretend to check out and then steal the books.
There's a lot of worse evils in the world, but somehow stealing books
from a public library just really irritates me.
Our library has magnetic strips or something in the books - try to
take them without checking out and an alarm sounds.
"We need to make a sacrifice to the gods, find me a young virgin... oh, and
bring something to kill"
My library has a system like that - though it's policed much like the
neighborhood or mall car alarm - hardly anyone even looks up when the
alarm goes off. The CDs, cassettes and videos regularly seem to not
register with the system when you check them out so the alarm goes off
about 30% of the time. I've even had the alarm sound when I return an
a new library that just opened near me has rfid on everything. they know if
the stack of items you take out is checked out by having a scanner at the
On Thu, 02 Jun 2005 21:24:39 -0700, Tim Douglass wrote:
A long time ago I ended up with an unintended book. I had been doing
research at the library amidst the research volumes. I re-shelved them and
properly checked out several others.
The alarm went off.
I walked back over to the checkout desk and the pile was re-swiped.
Again, the alarm went off.
One more trip to the checkout counter for a third scanning.
The third time the alarm went off the security guard grinned and waved me
Had any of us ever looked in my briefcase we'd have found the offending
That left me, a normally honest man, with a problem -- how to return it
past the scanner / metal detector at the entrance.
I eventually opted to come back late at night and use the night drop-off.
For future reference, had they searched your briefcase you could have been
arrested. Conceiling merchandise whether you intend to pay for it or not
immeditely qualifies you as a thief with intent to steal.
And in Arizona this would be a capital offense with summary execution
Note our quirky law:
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law that allows merchants to detain suspected shoplifters for law
enforcement purposes. Another state law also allows people to use
physical force when detaining others for law enforcement if it's
On Sat, 04 Jun 2005 16:18:04 -0700, Wes Stewart wrote:
Yep ... and they could have looked into my briefcase, which I normally
kept locked because it had spontaneously opened a couple times, as soon
as the municipal police arrived with the search warrant.
And here in Michigan, sometimes a mistake is just that ... a mistake. I
had a table full of books, some mine, some the library's. I had been
there for hours. One of theirs got mixed in with mine. For all I know, one
of mine might have been 're-shelved'.
This was a library, not a store. Libraries don't require payment last I
I doubt a library would prosecute someone for a first offense, especially
someone who was helpful in trying to fix the problem. Someone who wanted
to steal a book would have kept right on going when the alarm sounded.
It does not matter where you are, if you pick something up and conceil it
you can be liable for theft. Many libraries that I have been to do charge
late fees, REQUIRE you to check out the book and some actually sell books.
So yes many libraries do indeed require payment especially if you have
turned in a book that was late.
Yes, yes. Thank you for protecting us all from the terrible scourge
of absent-minded bookreaders. Now don't you have a McDonald's to sue
for making you fat or something?
I know the law is the law, but it's important to use a little
perspective and common sense.
Well I am not the one with the problem here. If you rely on perspective and
common sense of employees of a library or store you may very well be the
type person that needs to be reminded of this. I'd say 80% of retail and
public workers believe that they are there for YOUR benefit. Those are the
ones that get overly excited about some one breaking the law whether it be
purposely or by accident. The other 20% realize where their paychecks come
from and or why they are there. They tend to be the only ones with common
since and perspective in situations like this. In my younger days I fell in
the 80% group and most of us seemed to see eye to eye when it comes to
theft. So it will be easy for you or I to use perspective and or common
sense but keep in mind that it is the store employee or public worker that
you must rely on to have the perspective and common sense after he has
witnessed you break the law and does not know you from Adam.
On Thu, 2 Jun 2005 14:38:13 -0400, "Buck Turgidson"
Self checkout technology is still too 'buggy' to be reliably useful,
most of the time the cashier has to help out anyway. It tends to
aggrivate customers (most of whom will refuse to use it again and want
a real cashier afterwards), though I find it extremely useful when I
only need one small pipe fitting or pack of saw blades and the lines
are full of people with fifty boards or stacks of tile.
I find it interesting that the local Home Depot has self-checkout
lines and always has at least five registers open on most days, while
Lowes has no self-checkout lines and almost never has more than one
register + service desk open even during Christmas rush. Seems that
Home Depot is making enough with them to keep over twice as many real
(a) a weak pun on the like-named aliens from Star Trek:The Next Generation,
that 'assimilated' everything.
And travelled around in big, boxy, spacecraft
(b) an acronym for <B>ig <O>range <R>etail <G>iant -- originally referring
to Home Depot, subsequently generalized to mean any of the big-box
superstores. The 'Blue BORG' is Lowes, the "Red BORG" is Menards, for
It's not that uncommon for the bar-code scanner to double read on
an item, especially if it's a non-flat shape which doesn't get
picked up on the first swipe. _Usually_ the sales clerk will
notice the double beep and correct it (did you check & see if
there was a credit for 1 unit further down the receipt). When
it's noisy, tho, they can miss it. It's pretty much up to you
to keep an eye on the register, and make sure you don't get
Don't take this the wrong way but what's going on here is you not paying
attention to your receipts. Double scanning is quite common - sometimes it
*IS* intentional but most times the scanner burps or the checker hesitates
during the sweep.
Maybe a lesson learned?
Chances are you'll be able to recover your overcharges.
Not to long ago, I checked out at the lumber aisle with some plywood and
some small items. I told the cashier about the items on the bottom of the
cart, she bent over with the handheld scanner to scan the small items. A
couple of weeks later some of the items were surplus and I went to return
them. When I located the cash register receipt with the plywood on it, I
found that the items that I wanted to return were not on the receipt. She
apparently didn't scan them.
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