Whoa dude! That BDS (Bush derangement syndrome) is getting pretty bad.
Especially if you see that in the business model of a company that has had
that policy for way more years than Bush has been in office. Israel? Huh?
If you're going to be dumb, you better be tough
I'm not sure I see your point. All that last says is that "We'll
charge you sales tax unless you have a tax number".
You seem to be more interested in what a Web site says than in what
happens in the real world and in the real world you walk into Grainger
with money and a need for a product that they have in stock and
they're more than happy to take your money and give you the product.
Try it. They're not going to shoot you.
Well I tried ordering from the website some time ago. Keep in mind I
live in NH with no sales tax, so regardless they weren't going to be
charging me any tax. But they sent me back an email saying they
couldn't verify my business. So I took my order to McMaster where I
didn't have to deal with any hoops to jump through.
Interesting. They never asked me about a business at all that I can
recall. But maybe they've figured out now that they can make more by
actually selling product than they can by alienating potential
Absolutely true! States vary, locations vary.
My in-law's asbestos and lead abatement company went through a "use tax"
audit that took almost two years to complete. CT is absolutely a pit
bull with sales tax.
But we're not talking about sales tax right here. We're talking about
Grainger's policy regarding who they will sell to, and who they won't. Their
policy is that they sell only to businesses; the fact is that their definition
of a "business" is lenient enough to include the sole proprietor working out
of his own home.
Doug Miller (alphageek at milmac dot com)
I imagine that what constitutes acceptable "business identification" may vary
from one Grainger store to the next, and can be affected by state law as well.
Indiana has a much less aggressive regulatory climate than New York.
Doug Miller (alphageek at milmac dot com)
They're set up to sell to people who are either maintaining facilities
or manufacturing products--in the former case they assume that you're
looking for a replacement for an existing part, while in the latter
they're assuming that you're looking for something that was specified
by an engineer. As long as you act like you're in one of those
categories, i.e. have a part number and quantity or a sample of what
you need or a busted part you need to replace, there shouldn't be any
Probably has to do w/ how recently the local/state folks have audited
their sales tax exemption records... :)
Here, they're pretty picky on them which discourages such "under the
counter" sales as it's not a pretty pickle to get into (and can be
expensive getting out).
When you order off the Web site they collect sales tax. The local
branch belongs to the same company, so it's also "set up to collect
sales tax" and they've never asked me for a tax number in the branch
and have always collected tax. If you have a tax number they'll take
it but they don't require it.
They've changed, then...but it's been quite a while since I was where
there was a local one. There, "no account, no sale" and no cash sales,
only "on-account" and no tax on the invoices. Or, maybe local outlets
didn't all operate under the same rules, only have the one to compare to.
Given the words on the web site that pretty much mirrored that, I
figured that was still their operational mode...
What with the web sales and advent of integrated inventory and
collection software, not too surprising they've "modernized". I've not
bought anything direct from Grainger or McMaster-Carr in ten years as
the local machine shop gets orders in next or second day routinely and
since the shipping is amortized over the larger volume it's much more
convenient and usually still cheaper after they take their cut to simply
get them to place the order since they also just add it to the monthly
Might be the Person Behind The Counter, too. My Dad and I used to buy
anything we needed from Graybar in Jacksonville, FL. One day I went
in to get some watertight conduit for the boat and the PBTC told me he
wouldn't sell to me without either an electrician's license or a
building permit. So I asked to talk to his supervisor and explained
the situation, including the fact that they don't issue building
permits for modifications made to boats and the supervisor tore the
twit a new one and I walked out with my conduit.
Some PBTCs need to be LARTed a few times before they get it through
their heads that their job is to sell stuff, not drum up business for
members of the IBEW or whoever.
However, the thing w/ the Grainger in TN was that there were no cash
sales of any kind -- everything was open-account so w/o the account, you
didn't walk away w/ (anything except an account application, perhaps).
Very handy as didn't have to have the checkbook or cash and made the
transaction quick and sweet....of course, that was pushing 20 years ago
now--it's depressing to realize that in some ways, refreshing in
As that was the only place ever was that had a local outlet, I assumed
that was they operated everywhere.
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