looking for "less than premium" lumber.

[pyotr filipivich]

Not since the manufacturers started putting their wood / pallets behind locked gates.

Besides, scraps I got. Where do I go for "less than pristine, fair-growth, gluten free 2x4" etc?

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knuttle <keith [e-mail] on Fri, 26 Mar 2021 17:30:57

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I obviously used the wrong words and terms. While I did ask about "a shack" what I actually have in mind is an add-on to an existing structure (a store bought kit complete with the "We will build it for you" option. I then finished it off, insulation & paneling, and running power to it.) If I was going to be here more than five years I would go for the "quality" material. But I only need it for two, maybe three, and most likely the house/property will get bulldozed after we are gone.

Do lumberyards advertise on Craigslist? I haven't checked. I know Amazon will sell lumber.

[knuttle]

"premium quality"

somewhere for the

Do you have a Restore (Habitat for Humanity) near you. Some have a lot of lumber, at usually a good price.

[knuttle]

While I have gotten some good deals on Craigslist, I don't frequent it that often so don't know about lumber yards.

I do know I have seen piano, furniture, sheds, and piles of lumber being given away.

[Clare Snyder]

Nothing wrong with asking, is there?? That's how I got mine!

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knuttle <keith [e-mail] on Sat, 27 Mar 2021 15:45:40

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I do, and I have, and I've gone broke saving money.

OTOH, they don't always have the size I'm after. Which brings me back to my first query: what happens to the less than Premium Grade hand selected gluten free vegan lumber? Shirley, it can't all be getting sent to the PRC?

[DerbyDad03]

I guess I don't know what you mean by less than Premium Grade lumber.

Even the Premium Grade lumber at most home centers is less than Premium Grade.

[pyotr filipivich]

What I mean is that if I go to a web site for a lumber yard, big box store, whatever - I am assured that what they offer is the finest premium lumber. Perfect for Your Home Project! And their prices reflect that. Great. Except I am not looking to build beautiful furniture that I can pass along to the children, grand children and the antique auctioneers.

I know that there are lesser grades of lumber, I'm just wondering if there are retail outlets handling it, or do I have to search for a sawmill and order a "unit"/ pallet load?

Deceptive Advertising is SOP.

[krw]

Um, when was the last time you saw the "finest premium lumber" in a lumber yard or BORG? I think I remember my father talking about carrying it out on the backs of unicorns.

When was the last time that you saw furniture grade lumber in a lumber yard? Before the last ice age? ...or was it before the big asteroid?

Nah, just go to the BORG. They have lots.

"Deceptive"? It seems that you're the only one who thinks lumber yards are in the business of selling furniture grade lumber.

[J. Clarke]

If it's worse than what Home Depot stocks you probably don't want it.

[knuttle]

I have never shoped at one but there are some company that call themseves discount lumber yard. Do you have one of these.

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J. Clarke [e-mail] on Sun, 28 Mar 2021 21:33:24

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Do all ya'll search for and buy all clear lumber when making raised garden beds? Or framing up for a concrete pour? Or making shipping crates for Richlite(tm) commercial countertops?

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knuttle <keith [e-mail] on Sun, 28 Mar 2021 22:31:32

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Nope.

Of course Google thinks anything with 'lumber' on the webpage is what I'm looking for. Even a missspelled "lumbar support" offering.

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[e-mail] on Sun, 28 Mar 2021 21:25:04 -0400 typed in rec.woodworking the following:

Bizzzt!

Read closely: I did _not_ say they _have_ the finest in Premium lumber. I said they _Advertise_ having the finest in Premium Lumber. (No doubt harvested by Elven Druids and hauled out of the woods by teams of Unicorns lead by Leprechauns.)

In my youth. Of course in those days it was felled with stone axes ...

Which is all beside the point.

Sigh, I don't know why I ask these questions.

Do you know of a company which doesn't advertise _having_ the finest in premium lumber? And if one can't get furniture grade lumber at a lumber yard, where does one get it? Amazon? Ebay? One's own personal wood lot, inherited from ancestors who planted the finest trees for future use by their woodwright descendents?

[knuttle]

I beleive that there is a difference between premium grade lumber and furniture grade lumber.

I would use a piece of cherry for a desk for my foyer, but wound not buy an 8' cherry 2X4.

I may buy premium grade lumber from Lowes for finishing work inside of my house. I have used their premium grade wood to make some nice tables for the house.

An I can buy their consturction grade lumber for framing, our building a grape arbor in my back yard.

[Clare Snyder]

Find a local sawmill and see what they say. Arounf here we have numerous small mills operationg on (mostly mennonite) farmsand a lot of ash trees being cut.I could likely source some rough cut lumber from one of them but non-certified lumber (non-graded) is not allowed for building construction here - which makes it difficult to build using lumber cut from your own trees on your own land (except single story FARM buildings)

Article 9.3.2.1. requires that lumber used for joists, rafters, trusses and beams, and for uses listed in Table

9.3.2.1., has a grade stamp to indicate its grade as determined by the ?Standard Grading Rules for Canadian Lumber?. Table 9.3.2.1. includes such uses as posts and beams not less than 114 mm in thickness, roof sheathing, plank frame construction, etc.

So I guess my "shed" isn't "legal" but being under 120 sq ft and not on a permanent foundation, without plumbing, did not require a permit.

[Clare Snyder]

When I went to the local lumber yard years ago to buy cedar for my front porch I asked to have a second bale opened up because what was open was of pretty poor quality and had been pretty well picked through. Bob the lumber man - who was a customer of mine said no - it was all grade A cedar and I couldn't expect lumber to be "perfect". I told him what he had left open was certainly not grade "A" - more like "Grafe K" for Kindling. He finally relented and opened a new bale rather than lose my business - for good.

I saw a 2X4 at the local BORG a few months ago that could have been used for the rockers of a rocking chair.

That said, they DO occaisionally have supplies of small quantities of furniture grade hardwood but there are several local spacialist hardwood suppliers where the local furniture shops get their wood. (Some ofthe mennonite shops use lumber from the local mills and local harfwood.)

[Scott Lurndal]

I've _never_ seen them (Blue or Orange) claim such. Methinks thou doth protest too much.

Personally, I get it here:

Although my father (at the time, in his late 70's) built three awesome grandfather clocks from a walnut tree that was next to the garage.

[DerbyDad03]

And of course, opening a new bale is no guarantee that you'll get anything better, especially if you don't use it quickly.

I recently grabbed a bunch of 2 x 4's from a fresh bale at Lowe's. Sighted them as best possible for quality. I had 2 left over after a project and laid them on my assembly table, face to face, nice and flat. I stacked a few smaller cut-offs on top. A few days later I went downstairs and found the cut-offs on the floor. Huh? How'd that happen? Do I have critters in my basement?

The top full 2 x 4 had twisted so much that there was now a 3/4" gap between it and the bottom one. Enough twist that the stack of cut-offs literally fell off.

Wrap of bunch of wet wood tightly into a bale and it'll all look great as soon as you cut the straps.

And I'll bet it looked just fine on the day the bale was first opened.

I tend to avoid buying the heavier pieces, even from a fresh bale. More weight may mean more moisture which may lead to more twisting.

[DerbyDad03]

Maybe it's not the questions, but the way you ask them. Maybe.

Could you supply an ad that uses that phrase? I'm not sure I've seen it used.

I've seen claims like...

"Each piece of this lumber meets the highest quality grading standards for strength and appearance"

That would tough for a big company to falsify, since there is a grading system that they are *supposed* to adhere to.

I could get it at place that does millwork, such as a window and door shop. I could also mill my own from rough lumber bought at more places than I care to list.

This was all milled in my garage, assuming you consider a bench made for a dining room table to be "furniture". (I thought it was, imagining a quality finishing job. Then she painted it pink.)