This is a little off-topic of woodworking, but I thought I would ask.
I've had a long-bed (8') dodge pickup for many years. Now I'm in the
market for a new truck with an 8" bed. This is to mainly haul plywood
and other sheet materials. Upon looking around, it seems that 8' beds
are almost non-existence. Why is this? It seems that all of the
trucks have an extra cab with a 4-6' bed. I just want a nice truck
with a powerfull motor and a long bed for hauling material. A 6' truck
bed means that you have to leave the tailgate down (safety haxard), or
put the end on the top of the tailgate (bowing issue). I've seen a
few bare-bone trucks with the 8' bed, but I'm looking for a more
luxury as well. Any suggestions on who might make a decent V8 regular
cab truck with an 8' bed with some luxury features like cloth seats
and electric locks and seats?
Almost all dealerships inventory what sells. What you are looking for
is not a big mover these days. However, you can order just about any
version truck you want if you are willing to wait. Toyota offers a long
bed 2 door with a 5.7 V8 producing about 380hp and mine gets about 16.5
MPG in town.
How things have changed. My parents had a family station wagon when I
was a kid. I think it was a '72 Ford Torino. It wasn't advertised for
tradesmen, but you could get a 4x8 sheet inside, *flat* on the "bed"
between the wheels, and shut the tailgate. I seem to remember my Dad
doing just that, with several sheets.
I have a full size pickup. My wife has a minivan. Both can hold a full
sheet of plywood - the pickup with the tailgate up, the minivan with the
hatch closed. However - the minivan has a higher cargo capacity (5/8 vs
1/2 ton) and the plywood won't get wet in the rain.
Of course, once you need more than just "some plywood", the truck rules :-)
In the mini-trucks even a 7 footer is getting real rare. I got a
1996 Ranger standard cab long-bos this fall to replace my PT, which
replaced a TransSport, which replaced 2 long body Aerostars. With a
bed-liner and a cap, it keeps everything dry and holds about as much
as the 'stars did with the seats out - and I don't have to heat the
whole bus to stay warm
I had a truck for a couple of years, and now we've got a minivan. The only
thing the minivan doesn't have that the truck did was 3-abreast seating in
front. That made it easy to get plywood without making a special trip.
Oh boy, you had to bring this topic up. A pet peeve of mine. OK, here it
I was brought up on a farm. We used to LENGTHEN truck beds. Since we did
actual WORK we were concerned with cargo capacity. I then went to pickups
with 8 foot beds that I could put sheet goods in and close the gate. Very
nice. I even had a station wagon that I could put plywood and 2 X 4's in
and haul it home. I then drove, for many years, a Jeep J-10 pickup with a
seven foot bed. Since I did some off roading, this was nice. A little
shorter than 8 foot, but adequate for most jobs. I still missed the 8 foot
bed though. If I had to haul 8 foot stock, I had to either leave the tail
gate down or put it on the top of the tail gate.
Eventually, the tail gate started to show signs of wear with things stacked
on top of it. I ended up with making my own gate because the original wore
out with me stacking things on top of it. I don't have a truck right now
and it is really a problem when I want to haul something. I remember fondly
the days when I could drop by a garage sale, buy something, and haul it
I talked to a truck salesman recently. He told me that nobody actually uses
trucks for work any more. The problem, he told me, is that everything is
build on certain length FRAMES. And they insist on adding an "extended cab"
to the truck, they needed to subtract bed length. And the extended cab
thing. If they just want to add a foot or so, they wouldn't be so bad. But
they want to put SEATS back there. Even if only small children could fit in
those seats. Then you have the DOUBLE CABS! These take up even more space
on a fixed length frame. The truck beds gets even shorter.
If you want to get an eight foot bed, You need to get a truck in a "regular
cab" and specify a "long bed". The language is changed. What was once a
normal truck bed has become a "long bed". Even in the used trucks, they now
represent no more than 5 or 10 % of the used truck market. And they sell at
a premium because they are a "long bed truck". That seems so bizarre to me.
That is like saying in I am hung like a horse because I am totally average
in size. And nobody hauls sheet goods any more.
This same truck salesman told me that nobody actually does any work any more
with trucks. Trucks are for partying! Trucks are for hauling people!
Sheet goods are either delivered or use special trailers. Gotta have the
music, air conditioning and internet access. Nobody does actual WORK any
more! My take on this, we are going to hell. On the farm, we built and
modified what WORKED. Because we actually worked. When trucks become party
vehicles, we are all gonna die.
Yeah, I know. I am an old fart. But when I get another truck, it will have
an 8 foot bed. And it will actually be used for WORK. I know, I am a
dinosaur. But I am comfortable in my own skin. And I think that all trucks
with 6 foot beds or shorter should be rounded up and melted down. So we can
make trucks that can do actual WORK. And a little waterboarding on the
folks who actually buy these things would be a good thing too.
<grumble, grumble, bitch bitch>
I looked for a long time to find my 2005 Chevy Astro Van. It can carry
8 people comfortably and is relative easy to get into. It is
comfortable even in the back seat.
It can carry all of my camping gear, with all of the paintings and items
needed to set up my wife's display tent when she goes to Art fairs.
I can carry a dozen plant behind the rear seat, and if I take the back
two seats out, about 3 times that. I can carry patio blocks, groceries,
packing boxes, furniture, and many other things.
When I need wood I can easily slide ten footers under the seats and shut
the rear doors. If I need sheet goods like plywood or MDF, I can take
the rear seats out and the 4X8 sheets will lay on the floor in the back.
I brought a set of cupboards for the Utility room home about a year ago.
It has the power to pull my 21 foot boat.
Though there are much bigger vehicles available like the Ford
Expedition, BUT there is currently no replacement for this VAN. What a
shame. If I ever have to replace it I guess I will have to buy one on
those electronic toys. Maybe a Smartcar! ;-)
Guess who is called when my daughters wants to buy new furniture or any
thing else of any size?
Lee Michaels <leemichaels*nadaspam* at comcast dot net> wrote:
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Take anything a car salesman says with a few grains of salt. It's certainly
true that more people buy trucks for recreational and other non-work
purposes today than in years past. Dealers will stock up on the popular
models because the higher demand for them means more profit for the dealer.
As another poster pointed out, you can still order a truck with practically
any option or variation you want. Look at any large fleet buyer and you
will see that 8 foot bed models, with or without extended cabs, are still
available from Ford, GM, Dodge (Ram nowadays) and I'd expect from Toyota
and Nissan too.
The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation
with the average voter. (Winston Churchill)
It's not unsafe if you take a minute to string a single strap around
it from latch to latch.
Tailgates don't bow from plywood resting on them.
Say no more. Get a Toyota Tundra. I got the smaller, 4.7L V-8 and it
has -much- more power than I want or need. They're very luxurious,
come with all the goodies, and cost less than the crap Obama Motors,
Mercenary Dodge, and <sigh> even Ford put out nowadays. They even have
dual HVAC systems in the cab so the wife can be warmer, and the
tailgate is assisted. You can flip it closed with one thumb. My '07
replaced a 1990 F-150 and the difference was as startling as going
from Neanderthal to Normite tools.
Newman's First Law:
It is useless to put on your brakes when you're upside down.
They all (GM, Ford, Dodge, Toyota) _make_ 'em; you may have to order it
w/ options you want if you're in a metro market. Out here in farm
country they're still around altho even here the super-cab is more
In general for farm work for what a PU is used for the shortbed will
handle it; if it's actual hauling even a 8-ft isn't adequate so they opt
for the extra passenger room over the bed length. Most guys will put a
bale bed on one and a utility/maintenance bed w/ the
compressor/welder/etc. on another and then have a shorttail for the
"town" truck and maybe two or three others for off-road as well...
Not quite the suburb configuration... :) I've got the "townie" that's
1/2T 2WD w/ a topper that's extended but not full 4-door cab and the
8-ft 3/4T 4x4 w/ the diesel tank for field maintenance/service duty and
another w/ the bale bed.
OBTW, I've not looked at last couple of years but until then and I
presume still can--Dodge and Chevy built a full 4x4 w/ a longbed, too--I
don't know Ford. But, the wheelbase is long--it's not something you'll
likely want to drive in town (or write the check for, either, likely,
altho you have to bite real hard on any of 'em any more, anyway).
I don't understand the cab stuff.. to me a pu is just that a bed for
hauling. __The seats in the back are so small in most of these, unless
you get a crew cab that they are not worth it.__ Except in
Kalifornicating where it's illegal to ride in the bed... as well as some
other states (remember the illegals 10 riding in the back who were
running from the cops and flipped killing most)
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