I was more concerned with the mark/screw/hole left there if that piece
of furniture had to be moved somewhere else. Certainly not an
irreparable thing to fix, but a pain anyway. Even the slightest move
would negate the existing form of attachment.
Many/most pieces of furniture or shelving in my place is moved a
little bit on occasion. Fastening one of these pieces of furniture
being discussed is almost tantamount to a built in wall unit ~ it has
to stay exactly where it is, at least in my opinion.
They're designed to look like a free floating piece of furniture, but
they're exactly the opposite.
You bet. I picked up a freebie tall bookshelf unit a couple years ago
and the first thing I did was put an L bracket into it and the wall at
the back of the top shelf. It won't be falling on me or anyone else.
I've also noticed loose shelves at client homes and talked them into
letting me secure the units to the wall for them.
One Atta Boy comin' your way, Swingy. Let someone else's insurance
company take the fall for people's stupidity.
Fear not those who argue but those who dodge.
-- Marie Ebner von Eschenbach
On Friday, October 19, 2012 8:20:57 AM UTC-5, Swingman wrote:
opper >> With all the hardware choices available, it should be possible to anchor >> these things to the wall without any sign that they're anchored. > > But then they would be a pain if you needed to move them. What wall > anchors are solid enough and easily detachable, but not awkward > looking on the wall if they are visible. Only option in my books would > be to attach something else in their place. I'm not sure what the fixation with this issue is ... attaching these things to a wall, as designed, is simply not an issue and, with the proper design, is simple and effective ... at a minimum, a couple of spax screws, hidden in the drawer/casework back, or into a back lip in a shelf, and into the studs/wall anchors will be invisible and effective for that purpose. I have not built a piece of tall custom furniture in years, subject to even the remote possibility of tipping (particularly where there are, or will be, young children in the household) that is not anchored to a wall in some fashion, either directly, or with an anti-tipping mechanism, generally custom designed and purposely built into the design. That goes for all free standing bookshelves, china cabinets, desk hutches, and chests of drawers. And I'm not the only one ... I helped Leon install a custom set of bookcases for one of his client's recently and noticed that he had done the exact same thing ... in this litigious culture a custom cabinet/furniture needs to take every manner of liability into account in everything he does. AAMOF, turned down a custom tansu job last year because the young, pregnant woman of the house, with one toddler on the ground, would not agree to a design that allowed attachment to the wall. -- www.eWoodShop.com Last update: 4/15/2010 KarlCaillouet@ (the obvious) http://gplus.to/eWoodShop
Happen to come across this - http://www.bing.com/images/search?q=vintage+hardware+display+accessory&qs=n&form=QBIR&pq=vintage+hardware+display+accessory&sc=0-0&sp=-1&sk=#view=detail&id=9B1E8294178DE2ED1A267A502A0D84CFD857FAF6&selectedIndex=238 - which is very similar to your initial SketchUp. Described as a display shelf. I suppose it can't be top loaded with heavy items, but it looks nice for a home setting. Possibly what your customer had in mind?
Or have you finished with that project? I'd be interested in seeing what you ended up making.
Actually, did not hear back from the prospective client for a few of
weeks, then, as soon as I start on something else, we suddenly want to
start perfecting the design. ;0>
Here is where that project is, as far as the basic design (no trim,
etc), as of earlier this week:
Latest email (last evening) leads me to believe that it will be built
pretty much as drawn, but with some dimensional changes for greater
utility of that top cabinet for paper storage, and trim elements (in
contrasting woods?), etc.
I'll keep you posted here, and thanks again for your help, and interest.
Hmmm. I might build furniture like that, but I`d sure be looking for a
way to fasten it to the wall. I`d probably also be looking for a way
to easily unfasten it too and move it on occasion.
Sounds like a real pain to me. Glad in this case anyway, that I`m not
building any of this furniture to a customer`s order.
In the drawing with the feet, if you add the feet to the top but
extending out you could add a wide, from the wall, shelf to hold
lighting that shines down on the desk top. That would also help hide a
I was thinking "top shelf", too, but with lag-end rods which fit into
the box beam shelf, spaced at 16" OC for the studs.
BR230 - Shelf Support at http://tinyurl.com/88a2m8g
Fear not those who argue but those who dodge.
-- Marie Ebner von Eschenbach
On Thu, 18 Oct 2012 15:54:34 -0500, Swingman wrote:
I was looking through some of my Shaker furniture books a few days
ago and there is an example hanging shelves arranged on about the same
angle as your example.
Although the Shaker shelves aren't a piece of leaning furniture, the
appearance is much the same.
On Saturday, October 20, 2012 1:39:45 PM UTC-5, Swingman wrote:
e > > Subtitle: With measured drawings of museum classics. > Author John G. Shea > published originally in 1971, while there were still a few shakers > living. Thanks! -- www.eWoodShop.com Last update: 4/15/2010 KarlCaillouet@ (the obvious) http://gplus.to/eWoodShop
The book Bill mentioned, and I ordered, "Furniture Treasures", and the other book I had mentioned, "The Early Furniture of French Canada", came in today. I glanced through them and the "French" book has a few pics of consoles, which appear to be leaning furniture, circa late 18th c. and early 19th c. It states they were common in churches, on one or each side of the altar. Also, they were in high end homes, of the times. The pics and discussion is in the section with trestle tables. There is similar discussion, regarding trestles tables only, in the Furniture Treasury book. The French book comments about modifications of the trestle table.
The Furniture Treasures book (Volume 3, pg 123) comments on trestle tables, in that, ...referring to plates (pics) 800- 802, "There is known to the author only one other long Pilgrim period trestle, that being in the Bolles Collection, Metropolitan Museum. One or two short examples, like 805, have recently been found. The collector should be very careful not to confuse the Shaker type of the early 19th century with a true Middle Age trestle and board table." *A board table MAY be a sideboard, as there is discussion of sideboards in the previous section. I highly suspect sideboards (or board tables), mentioned as being here in the sates, may be the same as the consoles, mentioned in the French Canada book. The discussions are very similar.
The writer says this board table was common in England and some samples were found in North Carolina. The writer has not come upon an American example, but such probably exist, or did. *Again, I've been just scanning and reading some parts.
Apparently, leaning tables, or shelf type furniture, have been around, in some form, for a long time, and even the Shakers may have had some sort of leaning shelf or table, as Basilisk mentions. A further (French) name, noted in the French book, for the console table is credences. Other examples of variations of the console table is demi-lune tables (old samples in the books, modern samples in the link ~~~>) http://www.bing.com/search?q=demi-lune+table&src=IE-SearchBox&FORM=IE8SRC .
Some of these old tables look neat. Lots of good pics in each of these books. Pics are of furniture dating back to the 1600s. Shows, pretty well, the progression of design(s) over time.
when you get the book the shelves I was pointing out are on page
121, they aren't leaning but hanging.
They have graduated shelf widths from top to bottom.
The style to me was strikingly similar, with the added bonus
of not being unstable. (when anchored leaning is fine)
I like several of the pieces in this book, in particular, the bench
on 124 and the pedestal table on 183.
When I get the time, I may replace all the end tables
in the LR with these. I'll need 4 and they will go quickly
making several at the time.
I have the PDF version of the "treasure" book and can't find anything
leaning in the trestle table section? I'm going to try and find a copy of
the French book, sounds interesting. A "console" table to me has always
been a narrow table, not unlike the "sofa" table I just built. :)
The trestle table, itself, is not leaning. The progression of design seems to have led to or from the leaning aspect. In the progression of design, seems a basic trestle table (typical commoner's dining furniture) was shortened, then had a folding side (placed against the wall) and became, what we know today as, a demilune. Modifications, along this path, resulted in some examples looking like leaning furniture.
Also, seems the different terms, used back then, are not the same as today, like "consoles".
Here are some pics from the French book of "consoles", which appear to be a type of leaning furniture - a half table, with 2 legs, leaning against the wall. I would suspect the table is attached to the wall.
I paid $12.99 for Furniture Treasury Volume 3 and $16.04 for Volumes 1&2 (one book)... *this included shipping. The inside dust jacket of Vol 3 has a price tag of $24.95. The pages are rough paper, kind of reminds me of old writing tablet paper in grade school.
Furniture Treasury Vol 1&2 (one book) has very nice smooth quality paper, appropriate for color plates, pictures and such. This book looks new, though it was advertised as used. The inside dust cover has a price tag of $100/$140 Canadian. Both Furniture Treasury books measure 8" X 11". Both of these books were labeled, on Amazon, as "used, very good condition" and they are in great condition.
I paid $38.99, including shipping, for The Early Furniture of French Canada. High quality paper, appropriate for the color plates and other excellent pictures. It was advertised on Amazon as "used, very good condition". It is used in good condition and has some slight yellowing around the edges of the pages. No pages torn. The dust cover has slight wear. The book measures 10" X12-1/2" and is hefty as the others. I think this book stopped being published in 1963, so it has some age to it, but still in great shape. No price tag on it, but there is $54 hand written on the inside cover.
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