As of 2004 the school nurse if she even suggested the use of a controlled
substance would be in violation of Federal law.
There is a common misconception that "ADHD" and "unruly" are synonymous--I
suspect that the increase in ADHD diagnosis in recent years has been mostly
the result of increased recognition of the "inattentive" form, in which the
kid is not unruly at all, he just spends most of his time with his mind
somewhere else. In any case, if Ritalin makes an unruly kid less unruly it
means that the kid didn't want to be unruly in the first place--if he
_wants_ to be unruly Ritalin won't stop him.
Incidentally, my best friend in high school was on Dexedrine for ADHD (they
called it "hyperactivity" then but it's the same condition) in 1969. This
is nothing new.
Define "lack of discipline" and tell me where, specifically, you have seen
Which has what, exactly, to do with anything we are discussing? If you want
to argue that the schools suck and the teachers are bumbling incompetents
you'll get little argument from me, but this has nothing to do with ADHD.
Again, what does this have to do with ADHD?
Been a long time since this was a requirement. I used to catch my teachers
in bloopers all the time and that was 40 years ago.
Again, this has zip all to do with ADHD.
If the student is already enrolled in the teacher's class then the teacher
does not have that option unless and until quite a lot has happened. You
might want to take a look at
<http://www.ed.gov/parents/needs/speced/iepguide/index.html to see the
steps that must be followed before a kid can be placed in special
education. Note that parental consent is required just to _evaluate_ the
kid. It's not something a teacher can do unilaterally. Not anymore. The
IEP committee gets to decide whether the kid stays in that teacher's class
or is transferred to a different "mainstream" teacher or is placed in
special education for all or part of his schooling.
The most commonly expressed concern I hear is that kids are getting
mainstreamed who shouldn't be, not that kids are being placed in special ed
who shouldn't be.
My oldest son has ADD Attention Defecit Disorder similar to ADHD but
without the Hyperactivity component. I couldn't agree more with Mr Clarke.
He recently graduated from high school. None of his teachers ever accused
him of being unruly. He did have one hell of a time paying attention in
class. Stimulant drugs made school a little more bearable for him. He did
still need a lot of coaching from us and his teachers to make it through.
Some teachers did well for him.
Others seemed to resent his presence in their classroom and targeted him.
Discipline was heaped on him. It did no good. Discipline is NOT THE ANSWER
for these kids. The people who think it is are not paying attention to the
facts. Maybe THEY need the discipine.
Heaping "discipline" on ADD, ADHD and Autistic kids only damages their self
image and chases them out of school.
Priorities and what "the schools want" vary. In my school district
there are schools where almost 50% of the kids have IEPs. The
individual school will get a greater share of the "scant resources"
and the student and family will get more services in theory. In
practice the needs of the "normal" kids as well as the special needs
kids are not the first priority of the school system, and both groups
People equate dollars spent with quality of education. School
administrators think if you are against the budget, you are against
One of the teachers is a member of the finance committee (and gets paid
extra as a coach too) . He did not like it when I brought up the fact that
the teacher's pay increase is more than what his property tax will be going
up. My taxes increased $450 but I don't get a raise because the budget
passed. There were also a couple of line items that the school board knew
would be much less, but did not disclose it until after tax bills were sent
out, but they kept the money. Spending is over $11k per student.
I wish I was joking. Our overprotective politicians are busy trying to
make all kids pansies.
Maybe this will be the straw that breaks the camel's back. Sooner or later
the "educators" are going to do something that is so clearly loony-tune
that everyone in the body politic will recognize that they have no business
being trusted with children. This may be it.
In my book "educators" rank with politicians, lawyers, and journalists. The
only ones who are any good are the ones who fight the system and most of
those go nuts after a while or burn out and change careers to something
clean like sewer worker.
This thread make me wonder about our society's changes. When I was a
Freshman in high school the coach took all the boys in "health" class and
asked to see our pocket knives. If you didn't have one you were told to get
one by the next day. If it wasn't sharp you were told to sharpen it, and the
coach meant sharp enough to shave you arm with. Didn't know how to sharpen
it, get your dad or some other man to teach you, no excuse accepted. Then
came the class on how to use it, basically it is a tool not a weapon.
Failure to comply with the coach meant a trip to see " The Assistant
principal", never even heard of anybody cutting anyone with a knife while I
was in school. Although there were a few mumbledy peg injurys. Now I have
to send a written note to school to allow my kid to carry a key with him.
I did not think I was going to start such a thread. Along the lines of
knives at school. My dad was in the gun club AT school (Seattle, 1956) He
had to bring his .22 to school every Tuesday. I don't think any public
schools have gun clubs anymore. lol
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