That was the price range I was looking at and decided to go the
compressor/conversion gun route. With an 80 gallon tank, it was about
the same price. iirc, the turbine units don't have the possible
moisture problems that a compressor might have. But a filter and dryer
should fix that problem. And with the compressor, you get to use it
for other things possibly getting a better value for the money.
A Calgary company, Lemmer (http://www.lemmer.com/hvlp.htm ) makes
well-reviewed HVLP sprayers that match your criteria. Proviso : I
haven't yet used thier equipment (intend to do so this summer), but
overall opinion is good.
My buddy uses a Lemmer in his shop and loves it.
I use this one and am pleased.http:// www.tptools.com/ TP has them from
$599.00 and up. I have had their most basic unit since 1986 and have no
I have a Fuji Q3 PRO which I really like. High quality equipment.
Have a look here:
Can be found on amazon.com also:
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The current (April/May 2006) issue of Wood magazine
reviews 10 systems
Accuspray Model 10 gun, 23i- turbine $750
Apollospray Model A5510 gun model 800 turbine $745
C&H HV2002 system
Capspray model Maxum II CS8100 turbine $825
Fuji MOdel XT gun Modell Q3 turbine $750
Rockler 61577 system
TurbinAire model BNB gun 1235GT turbine $800
Wagner FineSpray2400 system $100
Wagner model NB gun SoftSpray 2900 turbine $580
Features to look for
Non-bleeder gun - no air flow out of tip unless trigger
is pulled. No air blowing your finish around after applying.
An air relief valve diverts the airflow either in the hose
line or at the turbine.
Unless you're using a pressure pot, most HVLP spraying
is done with a siphon feed which diverts some of the
airflow to pressurize the finish cup. Better guns
have a check valve in that line to keep finish from
getting into parts of the gun that aren't supposed to
come in contact with it. Only necessary if you need
to tilt the gun - like inside cabinets
Multiple air ports - air line that can attach to the
gun either at the bottom of the handle or the back of
the gun - or both.
Air cap adjustment - when the air holes in the cap
are "up and down" you get a horizontal fan, holes
"left/right" gets you a vertical fan, and at 45's you
get a circular cone. Some caps have detentes (click
stops) at these three positions. Being able to change
spray patters without having to unscrew the cap
is real handy.
Ability to control both amount of finish flow and
fan width - two knobs on the back of the gun-handy
Test was done with oil based poly, lacquer and water
based vanish. Accuspray, Fuji and Turbinaire required
no thinning of any of the test finishes. Others required
15-50% thinning. Accuspary and Turbinare were
rated Top Tool, with the C&H HV2002 rated as
The article noted that "conversion" guns require
air flow CFMs that require at least a 30 gallon
compressor and an 80 gallon preferred.
Buy the magazine
I'm looking to sell my graco 4900 procomp if you're interested. I've
used it a few times and it's just more than I need :) It's a 4 stage
2-speed turbine that comes with 2 guns. One is a siphon gun with a 1qt
cup and the other is a remote with a 2qt cup on a 6' whip hose. The
procomp has a built in air compressor to move the fluid from the remote
cup to the gun so everything's built into the turbine box itself. It's
a 4 stage turbine (I've sprayed latex with it) and is very clean. It
comes with tip sets #2, #3, #4, #5, and #6.
Here's the manual if you want more details:
It cost over $1500 brand new and I was going to list it in the
classifieds this spring (when tool demand goes up) for $900.
all one line
They're at most woodworking shows - look for the husband and wife
team - he's got a handle bar mustache - can't miss him. And while
you're there, pick up a can of their grain filler and some Enduro
water based poly.
Homestead Finishing also carries Accuspray - a testiment to Accuspray
as Homestead has a good rep for finish products.
You are obviously a new shooter (spray, that is). Buy the cheapest setup
you can find and practice, practice, etc. The most expensive turbine system
you can afford, or take a loan out for, will not make you an expert. If you
got the bux, buy the top of the line (and practice, practice, etc.).
Are you a professional woodworker or a hobbiest? Seven-fifty or more is a
lot to pay for 'sometime usage'.
Think about it,
I've also sprayed a few repair jobs on vehicles that came out looking really
I'm more of a hobbyist than professional, although I've done several jobs
for pay. We spend too much time traveling now in our RV to get involved in
I'm looking for a quality spray system that will create less overspray and
The Accuspray 230K looks like a reasonable compromise.
I did a very quick thumb through of the magazine and what I couldn't figure
out is it seemed they rated the Fuji higher across the board yet didn't
chose it as their Editor's Choice or whatever they call it. Hmmmm.
Could it be that Fuji hasn't advertised enough with them?
The only comment I noticed was that the Fuji would *not* spray a fan
narrower than 5".
To quote from the Wood magazine article:
"We also gave high marks to the quiet Fuji Q3, so if noise level is more
important to you than the ability to spray a fan narrower than 5", it, too,
would be a very good choice".
I have a touch up gun that I use for a small fan pattern but it's not HVLP.
Ouch. That would be an important point to me. When trying to get into
corners, tight places, touch up, etc., an adjustment down to a very fine
pattern is a must. A basic fan with no real adjustment - which is what you
really have with a 5-8" or 5-10" fan, is about useless.
Gotta love touch up guns, but I sure would not want to have to dirty two
guns everytime I went to spray something. The spraying part wouldn't bother
me, but I'd sure be grumbly at cleanup time.
I hope you don't mind me joining in on this discussion.
Unfortunately, the author, Paul Snyder, is really not that
knowledgable about HVLP Sprayguns. This is quite understandable
because that is not his chosen field. It is mine however.
The way the spray pattern on our spraygun is adjusted is identical to
the Apollo, Turbinaire (bleeder gun that they manufacture themselves,
the non-bleed gun is not their manufacture), American Turbine,
Lexaire, Wagner, Titan, Capspray and more.
You can spray from about 15" down to 1/8".
What Paul does not understand is that nobody - even if they have a
'knob' to adjust the size of the fan patter - paints let's say, a 3/4"
spindle on a chair from 8" away. This is what he is judging his
premise upon. If you did this, you would need a very steady hand
indeed. Remember, you have no bristles to guide you.
No... what people do with all the sprayguns listed in the article is
switch to a round pattern, reduce the amount of 'paint' and move in
close. With hvlp turbine guns, you can actually touch the gun on what
you're spraying without it flying back in your face.
The same goes for spraying a 3" length of trim. Set to a vertical
pattern, adjust how much paint (to allow you to move the speed you
want to go) and move the gun in until the pattern becomes 3". Then it
is exactly like painting with a 3" brush (but with no bristles).
The adjustment for size is to turn in or out the collar at the front
of the spraygun. From 8" away, he is correct - it's about 4 - 5" in
size. But you have to move closer anyway so it's not an issue.
Incidentally, Paul Snyder also mentions (and makes quite a big deal of
it) that the cups are all Syphon-Feed. Well of course, they're not.
They are all pressure-feed. I would like to ask Paul to fill the cup
with water and remove the Pressure Tube on any of the sprayguns
sampled. Then I would want him to pull the trigger and wait until the
water came out of the nozzle. It never will. There is absolutely no
syphon feed action whatsoever at those low pressures. The gun cannot
even syphon water never mind paint!
And if anyone is interested, I can tell you about the filtration
Best regards from Fuji Spray.
On Sun, 19 Mar 2006 21:00:52 GMT, "Max"
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