I would like to know how to setup a Senco brad nailer in order to use
it to toe-nail two pieces of woods together.
I have seen Norman using his brad nailer to toe-nail woods together in
his New Yankee Workshop TV show many many times. I thought this must be
very easy to do. But when I tried doing this, I found that the nail
head always sticking out. I have adjusted the nail head depth to as
deep as I can; but I still get at least 1/8" nail head sticking out.
What have I done wrong? Does this have something with the air pressure
of the compressor? I simply leave the air pressure to the original
setting, and I am not sure if I have the option to adjust it either.
The air compressor and the nailer are both Senco and come in a kit. The
air compressor is an one-hot-dog style and is very quiet.
Thanks in advance for any info.
If you have and if the show was broadcast in HD you might see the brad head
sticking out. Also, in many cases what you think you see is not really what
you see. His gun may not have brads in it at all and he is simply
demonstrating what can be done.
I thought this must be
Typically a nail gun will not shoot a nail much more than 1/8" past the end
of the gun tip. If the center of the tip of the gun is farther away you may
never sink a nail all the way. Also if you let the gun recoil the nail will
not go in all the way. IIRC you need 90 lbs or more to fully sink a nail on
most all woods.
This is frightening advice, especially if the user has a bump-fire
trigger. With a bump-fire gun, double fires /will/ result from fighting
recoil. The gun should be able to sink a nail/brad with no problem
using only it's inertial mass.
Here's an exerpt from the Porter Cable brad nailer saftey instructions:
Maybe after shooting thousands of nails you will better understand what I
said. The OP is shooting the gun to memic the operation that Norm uses as
he to nails pieces of wood. Seldom does Norm shoot repeadedly as is
indicated when when bump-firing a gun. When shooting a single nail at a
time in a specific spot you should absolutely hold the gun down to firmly
enough to disengauge the safety and keep the gun from moving. Additionally
if you are laying the gun over on its side or it is being used upside down
more effort is requiared to keep the gun from recoiling and not prolerly
settin g thenail.
Bumb firing is a procedure more often used when framing or roofing and you
need to get a bunch of nails driven in a short period of time and the
appearance is not a factor. Typically when bump firing you let the weight
of the gun bring the gun down onto the surface, read that as a controlled
drop, while always holding the trigger in. When the gun safety bottoms
with the momentum of the gun mass behind it the gun fires and tends to
bounce back. Not always does the nail set perfectly.
With a bump-fire gun, double fires /will/ result from fighting
I don't know why I'm gratifying your sarcasm, but I've shot 5000
framing nails in a single project. I've shot 2000 15 guage finish nails
doing trim work. I've only shot a couple hundred 18 guage brad nails,
but I understand how the stuff works. The funny thing is that you don't
need to use a nail gun even once to read the manual and know that your
advice is incorrect and dangerous.
I'm not suggesting that anyone try to bump-fire to toe-nail. See my
post below, where I said "With a bump-fire gun," which is talking about
the gun's trigger configuration, not it's usage.
You are absolutely wrong, from a safety standpoint, with respect to
fighting the gun's recoil. That is dangerous, and if you have a
bump-fire trigger, you're going to double fire much more often when
Fighting the recoil will certainly drive the nail deeper, but that's
not my point. The point is to get the nail into the wood, and to
prevent nails from getting into your body. I'm not trying to attack
you, but your post condones dangerous behavior, so I want to correct it
for a new user of nail guns. Nail guns are extremely dangerous tools,
and ignoring the manufacturer's safety warnings is, well, ignorant.
I was not intending to be sarcastic, I truely thought that you were a novice
with a nail gun as I still believe that you have the warning mixed up with
the sugestion that I made. Sorry.
All 3 of my guns will bump fire and in 16 years of using them I have only
had an unexpected double fire once or twice. If I gingerly hold the nail
gun when pressing the safety in and pull the trigger the recoil will push
the gun back and then the gun goes back down and fires again. If I hold the
gun down the gun WILL NOT fire again untill I lift the gun enough to let the
safety come back out. Holding the trigger and keeping the safety depressed
into the wood will not shoot another nail on a gun that is operating
I have never ever experienced that condition. Again the only time I have
had a double fire is then I let the gun bounce back.
I think one of us is seriously misunderstanding what the other is
Yeah, I think I see the problem.
My experience in my first day with a nail gun was that when I fought
the recoil, sometimes I lost, and I'd get a double fire. Especially
inverted, one-armed, hanging out in some rafters, with a heavy framing
gun. The weight, fatigue, maintaining balance sitting on a 2x4, and the
recoil are sometimes too much, and I was getting double fires.
I found that once I got the feel for letting the gun recoil, it would
gracefully jump completely clear, and the nose would not contact again,
and I never got a double fire. I also discovered that this was less
work, and certainly less stress on the tool. Plus it made me a believer
in the product manual.
I agree that you won't get a double fire if you prevent the nose from
lifting, but in practice, I find it's easier to just let it bounce
back. I don't get double fires, and I don't fatigue as fast as I did
that first day.
To each his own, but I have the safty instructions on my side. Of
course, as I read this I think how much better I like my TS without
that stupid guard on it...
So is this at least understandable? :)
Yes If you tire and the gun recoils and you are not intending to pull the
gun away after shooting you can get a double fire.
When I use my finish nail gun I am often in coinfined spaces. Letting the
gun recoil back can often cause the gun to bounce off of other objects and
back down against the safety. Ecentially simulating an unwanted bump fire
This is what I do to prevent the above situation and meant to convey to the
OP Typically I always use both hands when shooting a nail gun.
I find it's easier to just let it bounce
I some times think safety instructions are for those that have never used a
tool of a particular type. Letting the gun recoil and then preventing it
from falling back in contact with the surface probably is ultimately safer
and especially with a framing gun that has much more recoil than a finish or
I don't have a HDTV; therefore, I didn't see the brad head sticking
out. May be I can justify purchasing a HDTV by telling my wife: "We
need a HDTV; then we can see the nail head sticking out in one of the
wookworking TV show." :)
This means I will never be able to sink the brad head into the wood if
I toe-nail, and I will need to use a nail-set if I really want to do
so. OK. Thanks.
On 8 Feb 2005 09:54:51 -0800, email@example.com wrote:
Low pressure can cause this but in your case, I doubt that's it. When
you angle the nailer like that the head isnt contacting the nailed
surface and IME this always results in the nail heads being proud.
The simple fix is a nail set and a hammer, drive the heads on down.
But he doesn't want to drive the heads down because the brads are only
in there " . . . until the glue sets." You would leave holes like
divots trying to remove them. :)
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