In those 8-9 years I'd bet the cost of things went up higher than he
expected, and so he didn't see what a deal he got. It wouldn't
surprise me one bit to find out later that A:He is now price shopping,
and B: if he doesn't come back to you now that he finds out the cost
of current day pricing that he may very well come back after a while
all chagrinned, that he paid someone near what he paid you only to
find out the quality was lower.
I'd bet you have seen that before.
As you well know, he did you a BIGGGGG favor by not accepting your bid. ;)
I can't think of a single instance, out of hundreds, that bidding lower
than my comfort zone, and getting the job, did not end up in some kind
of misery for me.
You could have asked him to deliver it, and pick it up. Then you
wouldn't have the liability for it hanging over your shoulder either.
And having it in your way, it would encourage you to complete the work
faster! ; )
Too big to fit in his car and he has no truck. :~(
BUT as Swingman said it was probably a blessing. I was trying to do him
a favor. I have learned that if you don't want a job, over price the
bid, and then I'm perfectly willing to do it at that price and oddly
they usually jump at the chance. ;~)
On Thursday, March 3, 2016 at 10:01:29 AM UTC-6, Swingman wrote:
Karl... did I sense a snort of derision in that post? LOL!!
Personally, I embrace valid technology (had to be vetted first) and will ad
opt any of it that makes me money. I don't feel threatened by machines or
even other contractors when comparing apples to apples. My whole business
for the last two decades has been built on maintenance, repair, rehab, and
repurposing. No machine can do that.
We are on the same page.
I know a machine cannot take down, mortise in new hinges, and rehang an 8'
stained glass door. I did that last year and refitted hardware as needed t
o operate properly.
I know a machine cannot rehang cabinet doors to straighten out their appear
ance on cabinets that have been sagging for almost 40 years.
Positive that a machine cannot cut a reglet into a fireplace built from odd
sized river stones and then flash/counter flash after grinding down indivi
dual stones as need for a good fit. Then seal it, and re install the concre
te tile roof over ice and water shield.
Not worried about all the other "different" kinds of work that is passed my
way leaving me for a machine. Tomorrow I am going to look at the interior
framing details on a flat roof in a small commercial building to see if pa
rt of it can be lifted, straightened, then reroofed. At the least I will g
et my consulting fee (which is probably all I will get!)but I will write a
Jim Dandy report for them.
Although I haven't found "riches in niches", I found out decades ago that m
y phone will continue to ring if I will do the work others won't, learn ski
lls that others don't have, invest in the right tools, and to take it a ste
p further, provide and elegant and affordable solution for a client's needs
Right there with you, big guy.
On 3/2/2016 11:59 AM, firstname.lastname@example.org wrote:
I agree! Natural evolution but still with the needs of experience to
run them. Who knew that the Domino mortises align easier when one is a
little over sized. ;~) I just tickles the hell out of me to
occasionally point out something to you and Swingman that you did not
know and how little I bring to the table compared to the two of you!
Precisely, does the automated machine also pick the wood, pick the
grain, and or know which face to expose? Mother nature produces a
product that only humans can appreciate. Automated machines work best
with materials made by other machines.
There is nothing that looks quite as bad as a DT joint that has parts of
the tails missing or mating pieces that are not smooth, or sanded
smooth. I have seen a placard on a piece of furniture pointing out the
better quality features and the DT's being one of them. The drawers
looked horrible for all of the above reasons.
Yup, at least not yet....... I learned today that you can now download
wash programs and communicate with your brand new "washing machine"
through your smart phone....... Is that an improvement???
Well with friends like you and Robert and a few others on this group,
who needs to advertize. You are right there too AAMOF.
Whew! Is there another Leon you are talking about? I am totally
humbled and deeply appreciate your words. It is always a treat to hear
a customer squeal when I deliver a piece and long before they look
closely. But you have seen my work on numerous occasions and up close,
very up close. I still vividly recall some of your and Swingman's
comments and cherish those words because y'all truly know what goes into
I have discovered a pains taking way to build furniture/cabinets that
seems to be a well received design. I have to thank Swingman for
turning on the light for me in this respect. That started many years
ago when we first met and started working together. Specifically it was
the way he designed and we assembled kitchen cabinets. And to be more
specific the way his face frames fit the panels of the cabinets. Three
or four years later I took that a bit further with adding back face
frames joined to the panels same as the front and the back face frames
assembled with a combination of rabbets, lap joints, and floating
tenons. I absolutely give credit to God for the wisdom to notice
important lessons from from friends and colleagues and the knowledge to
do the work that I do.
Excellent points. I very often make the comment, when talking about my
woodworking, that I absolutely do not earn enough to make a living.
Could I, probably but then it would be a "real" job. Could I be as
picky as I am now? NO!
I think you hit the nail on the head Robert.
You know I did not see this working out the way it has. Like everyone
else I had a job although I did make a good living and tried to not
spend every penny. And it did not hurt at all that Kim also made a
respectable living. And then one day Kim became pregnant and priorities
changed drastically. I will say that shortly before Bryan was born I
began tidying up our finances and 10 years later we became and still are
debt free, and I mean totally debt free. That is the ticket. I bought
our first computer in 1986 and probably the first program that I loaded
on it was an amortization program and then Lotus 123. Both programs
painted me a picture of where we stood and what we would need to do to
get to where I wanted for us to be. If you have ever heard of Dave
Ramsey then you might be familiar with the method I used. Except I did
not hear of Dave Ramsey until after we were debt free for 10 or so
years. Bryan was in high school and told me about the guy on the radio
that is preaching to do what we did. ;~) Any way there is nothing that
feels quite as good as not having a house, car, or rent payment.
Financial freedom opens countless doors.
Thank you Robert and Swingman for the kind words.
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