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Psycho Acoustics? Is that must be the noise that mII or Twayne makes here once in awhile?

I think what Rob means is that anyone who likes to delve into the principles of acoustics is a psycho! ;)

Let me put some perspective on it:

Spending literally thousands of hours mixing recorded content of all types, for commercial release and airplay, takes an unbelievable amount of focus and concentration on all aspects of "sound" that very few folks will ever have the opportunity to either practice or experience.

The overriding task and problem that must be solved when doing so is to do it in such a manner that the resultant audio "mix" will _transfer as accurately as possible_ AND over the greatest number of speakers and playback systems that it may be played back upon.

IOW, just because it sounds good in the control room does not mean that particular mix will _transfer_ to the outside world.

This ability to effect this _transference_ is the coin of the realm and the keys to kingdom of success in the recording industry as an engineer.

This is a daunting task that requires an unusual amount of attention to all aspects of audio and the principles of human hearing, as well as a keen ear for differences in harmonic content, both within and without the audible range of human hearing, as well as a keen sense of "timbre" of instrumental sounds.

Again, this ability is what makes or breaks a recording engineer, particularly if he also mixes what he has tracked.

Trust me ... those good enough to do this task well have the ability to use HFC to their advantage.

I would put my life on it ...that's how convinced I am and firm in my beliefs. I've lived it, and I've walked the walk, anyone who has not can only have an opinion on the matter, but that's all it is, an opinion.

At best, sure. ...as long as your "represent" means *perfectly* reproduce. So far, so good.

It a waveform is *perfectly* reproduced, where's the beef?

...except you haven't. You *state* the same old, tired, audiophoolery. There is *NO* science behind it; religion, at best.

Where "represent" == "perfectly reproduce"

How much better than *perfect* does a waveform need to be for an audiophool? IOW, you're arguing my point. Thanks.

This is the Usenet, not email. As to what I'm "on about", I was assuming that you were reading the thread. I suppose that was a bit much to assume.

Heterodyning requires a nonlinear system (i.e. a multiplier). Audio systems aren't nonlinear, at least by design. ;-)

If they *could* be. Indeed, if they could be, someone would have done it.

Agreed. It doesn't take tremendous effort to make it "good enough". 14GA zip cord is just right. ;-)

"Robatoy" wrote

Is that you Robatoy?? I haven't seen a post of yours in months!! What did you do to appease the internet gods to get this message through?

Good to hear from ya!

I will give you a hint.

I use to run a small voice only studio. I had some very good AM radio monitors. Which is all I needed for voice recordings. These were very good speakers with NO high end. That's right. They went to about a 2/3rd through the conventional audio spectrum, then nada, nothing, zip. I often had folks over who had to wait for somebody to record. I would put on some music for them.

Without exception, they always commented on the wonderful high end that my speakers had. I would try to explain to them that there was no high end. Just great bottom and middle. But since they heard the great bottom and middle frequencies, They filled in the high end. I did not do it. The speakers did not do it. There was a filter that chopped it off. There was nothing electrical or acoustic that filled in the high end. It was all done through what is referred to as psycho acoustic effect. It was internally generated in their own brain. And when I would show them the documentation on the speakers (JBL's) they would tell me I was lying.

Electronics and acoustics be damned. The human mind is capable of all kinds of things that conventional, left brain types will not admit or believe.

"Swingman" wrote

Apparently, he is an expert in this sort of thing. ;-)

uh, no. the power produced causes the speed. The still burning and expelled gasses make the noise.

I suppose you've never heard of a muffler? You seem to equate the two.

Ditto here when I'm using powah tools in the shop. Respirator, too. And glasses, pushsticks, featherboards, and holddown guides where applicable.

-- Energy and persistence alter all things. --Benjamin Franklin

Oops, forgot to say "no pics there" the first time. I get a "browser not fully supported" for Mozilla 10, but it shows other pics, so please doublecheck your gallery.

-- Energy and persistence alter all things. --Benjamin Franklin

Yuppers. Shiny big thing, huh?

-- Energy and persistence alter all things. --Benjamin Franklin

Well, 'twas when it was gnu.

Max

I have yet to see the audio equitment either analog or digital that pefectly reproduces any recorded sounds.

How's puppydawg? GoogleGroups basically sucks. I spend most of my social-Net time on Facebook. I tend to visit that at least a few times daily.

Send me your email addy and Facebook info. I took some pictures recently and am putting together a second "Bucky report" and will send it to you and Karl.

Quick comments, we recently got snow and puppy has genetic memory of snow and wan in dog heaven all the time the snow was around. He would literally do flips with excitement when out in the snow. We also got a kitten and they are the best of buddies. Together they terrorize the house. She gets up on things and knock them on the floor. He immediately chews them up. I will get that report and pictures out soon.