Follow the money. :~)
Current electric cars are good for the buyer but not the rest of the world.
I have read that the UK is going to be totally electric in 20 years with no gas vehicles allowed. And Maserati is focusing on all electric for every vehicle after the last two designs are implemented.
Or not powered.
trade off as in better steering control with weight more forward
laying flat as in the photo most of weight looks aft of rear axle
not good for steering control
the guy says middle five figures on the price and he factors in 7500 tax credit and any state incentives
and not light even though it is all aluminum
ic engines are on the way out electric so much less maintenance costs and so many fewer moving parts
germany targeting banning ic engine cars in only a few years
OK - not replying to anyone in particular, but someone needs to get a thicker skin, and some people need to learn more about electric and hybrid vehicles. With today's energy costs - both gasoline and electric - even here in Ontario, where our electricity costs are on the high side - if not the most expensive in North America, then very close, electric vehicles make sense on the energy cost basis. That's even on full electrics and plug-in hybrids.
The North American power grid could not support the power requirements if everyone switched to electric - for sure - as far as the carbon footprint etc - a large power plant CAN be a lot more efficient and a lot cleaner than an internal combustion engine powered fleet - even if it is all fossil fuel fired. More power plants would be required, and they could be MUCH better than the existing plants.
Hybrid vehicles make sense in MOST driving - particularly in urban stop and go driving.(where net grid power requirements can often be ZERO or very close due to regenerative braking and normal driving totally recharging the battery.) The net efficiency is high because the combination of battery and IC engine power is pretty well optimized.
You're forgetting about the lithium. You're also forgetting about manufacturing, shipping, mining, etc., etc., etc. Carbon footprint is about a lot more than just energy consumption.
On Wednesday, August 2, 2017 at 10:53:18 PM UTC-5, snipped-for-privacy@snyder.on.ca wrote :
Including the Bollinger, no?
EC has cast his line and caught another bait bucket FULL of guppies.
Reading page after page on this vehicle, the only reference I saw to it bei ng a work truck is by EC and some here debating that fact.
Because it can carry wood doesn't make it a work truck. Where would you pu t a tool box? A headache rack? Service bins?
So the prototype can carry something 4x8, or certain sizes of 2x4. So what ? They could have said it could carry ice chests and some here would have called it an ice delivery truck or even an ice cream truck. Maybe even an ice chest delivery truck.
A wheelbarrow can carry a person (in some cases, 2)in it, so does that make it suitable for use as a taxi?
NO WHERE was I able to find any reference to this being a work truck from i ts designers. So I am guessing that I am the only one that took interest i n this rich person's off road toy enough to read anything about it, and as much as he is derided here, you guys took EC's premise as truth.
It is an off road recreation vehicle, stated over and over in the press rel eases and statements from the company and quoted in many, many interviews. Worse, the stupidity of considering this little teeny runabout a work truc k could have been easily avoided if they had simply looked at the page EC p osted and followed any of the dozen or so links to different publications. It's all there.
********* From a Q and A of Bollinger's Jeff Hollander:Who?s the target buyer?
?Because it will have class-leading off-roading credentials, we thi nk that the vehicle will be well suited for outdoor enthusiasts as well as various government agencies with clean-fleet initiatives,? said chi ef marketer and spokesman Jeff Holland."
*********Now it has turned into slug fest over battery powered vehicles and the poli tics behind them.
If there was only this much interest in woodworking here.
Come on guys. Now is the time to bring up the evil of the government consp iracy against electric cars, the government conspiracy for electric cars an d of course, Al Gore. Work in the American Military/Industrial complex and their agenda, as well as the fact that people that disagree with your "fin dings" (Hello, Google!!) are idiots and shouldn't be breathing your air. Y ou guys need to get with it. There are a lot more facets you can bring to a thread that was started . I want to se e some real ass ripping over this... don't let this thread run out of bile.
Nicely done, EC!
Robert
What, you think that pure electrics don't have regen braking?
That's Ford's models, the Volt has more like 50 mile range. My Ford has 21 mile range. It's 13 miles to work and my employer provides preferred parking with company-paid chargers to people who drive electrics and hybrids. So it works fine for me. Most of my driving is the daily commute and it's usually all-electric.
The person two up the chain of command from me drives a Volt. She's an actuary, I'm pretty sure she knows how to crunch the numbers on practicality. She also lives farther from work than I do. Of course the CEO drives a Tesla.
The AC seems to use less power than the heat. In the winter I typically run out of battery just as I'm pulling into the parking lot in the morning. In the summer I typically have about 6 miles left when I get home.
All around my hybrid is quite pleasant.
Seems that some electric drivers thing they are special and should get free fuel. Pay a premium for your car and you can join our elitist club and get special parking. I'd be afraid the masses of gas drivers would throw stones at my car parked there.
I'd like to see the numbers if she is justifying it on fuel cost savings. Many greenies don't care about money as much as saving a tree.
The Tesla is a cool car and yes, if I had an extra 100k I'd get one. No justification needed other than I want one. I'd still need a second car for longer trips though, the range is good but not so easy for a 600 mile day. Or staying at hotels with no chargers.
Lithium is one of the most pletiful elements in the world.
So far the Bollinger does not exist as a product, and as a company is just a way of raising funds. As a vehicle it is no more commercially available than the Energex R&D ElectrMobile coupe built in Waterloo Region back in 1978 - and it was totally privately funded.
Where did I say they don't????
What ford has a 50 mile range? My ElectraMobile had a 50 mile intown range back in 1978
And the Volt has range extensin technology.
I don't see how Clarke's statement supports your assertion.
A company may actually disagree with your position on energy and climate and choose to offer their employees a benefit that supports their position on energy and climate. Is that illegal or immoral in your view?
Really? Why would you be afraid of that?
Ah, pejorative noted.
As time passes, range anxiety will become less of an issue. However, one can always rent a car for the weekend/long trips - for much less cost than keeping a second one around.
And clearly, there are differences for folks that live in rural settings vs. those who live in dense urban environments - there's no one-size-fits all solution to transportation, energy supplies or the environment.
Well, that's a bit of hyperbole. Sure, it is the 25th most abundant element, but it never occurs freely in nature, but rather is found in minerals and is present in ocean water (0.14 to 0.25 ppm). In the earth's crust, you'll find it at higher concentrations (20 to 70 ppm which is 20 to 70 mg per kg).
For those reasons, it's generally considered a rare element - it takes
18 to 24 months to produce a batch (including concentration by brine solar evaporation).
read that they never intended to produce these themselves and are looking for a partner
tesla will be occupied with the model 3 for next few years and will spend zero time on their truck so this truck might have a chance if they find a good partner soon
unfortunately for the guy that created this a partner will want majority stake
but then again maybe he finds someone with money and lack of know how and lets him run with it
Nor did I say that. It is what I've heard in conversation about electric cars and subsidies. Just a comment from my observations over time. Want names?
Did not say that did I? Any time a corporation gives privileges to some and not others there is potential for bad blood.
The haves versus the have nots. Human instincts can kick in. M company paid for all of my gas. I never told anyone else as it was none of their business.
Good. I would not want you to miss it. A lot of people are willing to pay a premium to be green. That is their decision. Ask Al Gore.
IMO, electrics are just an interim anyway. It will be 10, 25, maybe 40 years before an alternate is invented and made practical. Meantime, I don't think taxpayer dollars should subsidize the purchase of a new car. I also wonder where all those batteries will be 40 years from now.
Many are just obnoxious assholes.
Many _anything_, including conservatives and liberals, are obnoxious assholes. It's endemic in the human condition. That doesn't justify blanket labels.
o The past year, Gore's home energy use averaged 19,241 kilowatt hours (kWh) every month, compared to the U.S. household average of 901 kWh per month. o Gore guzzles more electricity in one year than the average American family uses in 21 years. o In September of 2016, Gore's home consumed 30,993 kWh in just one month - as much energy as a typical American family burns in 34 months. o During the last 12 months, Gore devoured 66,159 kWh of electricity just heating his pool. That is enough energy to power six average U.S. households for a year. o From August 2016 through July 2017, Gore spent almost $22,000 on electricity bills. o Gore paid an estimated $60,000 to install 33 solar panels. Those solar panels produce an average of 1,092 kWh per month, only 5.7% of Gore's typical monthly energy consumption.
So what?
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