And therein lies the catch.
I have E bay sellers with items listed as $1.00 buy it now, but postage
and handling is $25.00. E bay collects on the $1.00 and the seller makes
100% of the postage and handling, less the postage. BTW these items on
another site had postage at $3.75 US.
I have never used the shipping calculator. I just use a flat fee that
sometimes makes me a few bucks and sometimes I lose a few bucks depending
on the buyer's location.
The shipping calculator can have handling fees added to the actual cost of
shipping. This way, the seller can rip off all buyers equally! With
fixed shipping, the shipping "profit" can be more or less depending on the
actual shipping charges.
Yes, but at least I can see what I'm going to pay...
OT: The marvel of the ebay system is that what I end up paying is
determined by what someone else decides he or she wants to pay, modulo
what I will pay.
"It's unethical, in my opinion to break out a separate (additional)
charge for "handling" when that cost should be a part of the cost of
That is idiotic for a number of reasons.
There is absolutely NOTHING unethical about charging a fee for a
necessary service as long as the fee is disclosed in advance. It is
also not a "scam." Only a moron believes they are scammed when they
are told that shipping costs $x.xx if they buy something.
Simple math will prove that $19 for a product + $1 for shipping = $20
just like is $15 for a product + $5 for shipping = $20. Now maybe some
people are fooled by the difference and feel a whole lot better and I'm
certain the advertisers just love having those kind of folks around.
However the rest of us don't much care about anything more than the
all-in cost of $20, because that's what we are paying.
If you had ever shipped anything you would know that it costs money to
buy packing tape, boxes and bubble wrap. People get really pissed off
when the stuff they bought arrives damaged because it wasn't properly
"I have no use for jerkoffs that sell a $20 item for $5 then charge $40
The only jerkoff is the one who can't clearly see that they are paying
$45 for a $20 item and go ahead and make the purchase.
"Don't your customers have to "handle" it too? "
Yes they do. And they are more then welcome to bill themselves for
In my case I won't buy from any seller who has to resort to that kind
of tactic because it screams "DON'T TRUST THIS PERSON". If a
traditional store with an on-line service can deliver a washing machine
for $30, why do some ebay sellers require the same amount for an item
that will fit in your mail box?
We know that ratings and feedback on ebay are no longer credible guides
to a buyer/seller's integrity. Common sense has to rule. From now on
whenevr I see one of these obvious overcharges, the seller is going to
get a pointed comment which will also be copied in to ebay.
We all have our own ideas about what is ethical and what exactly is a
necessary service I suppose.
To me it's a simple matter. To me sellers that offer a low low price
and make up for it with very high and mandatory "shipping & handling"
charges are unethical and of low character... and buyer be very aware.
You know who you are and you know full well that what you are doing is
wrong. My opinion.
eBay is who these people are "cheating", and yes, when a seller lists
and item for $1 and charges $50 for "shipping and handling" they are
cheating eBay out of the fees that someone more ethical would be paying
(and yes I have seen those exact numbers)
Personal e-mail is the n7bsn but at amsat.org
Well, it's a little harder to build the price in on an auction. Since the
seller doesn't know what the final price will be, it makes sense for the
shipping and handling to be factored in by the buyer. I think it's
different for a seller who auctions something here and there than it is for
an established business who actually knows their fixed and variable costs
and can factor them into the sales price. For me, I take the actual
shipping cost and throw in $2 for supplies. I don't think it's unethical to
break out a handling cost. What I think is unethical is one of the other
stories in this thread where the bidder asked for the shipping cost prior to
bidding and then when the auction is over a handling charge is sneaked in.
The seller doesn't know what the price of the product is? Of course
they do, they bought it and are now trying to sell it! If it costs
them $10, then they should set the minimum bid no lower than $10. If
they know it's going to cost them an additional $2 for shipping
supplies, then they should set the minimum bid no lower than $12.
The problem is that these people are setting their minimum bids at $1,
then charging $30 for shipping because they want to make up the profit
for their item without having eBay charge them fees for it. If the
auction goes to $20 and they charge $30 shipping, then they make $50
on the deal, rather than if the item went for $20 and they charged
what it actually cost to ship, which might be $5.
In the end, shipping isn't supposed to be a way to make a profit, it's
supposed to be a way to get the product to a customer.
I was responding to an earlier comment that no one should ever charge
"handling" fees of any kind. Obviously, eBayers participating in final
value fee avoidance by charging very high shipping costs should be killed.
I'm talking about adding a few bucks to the actual shipping cost as a
handling charge. What difference does it make if it's included in the price
of the product or not? Either way, the buyer pays. Anyone who thinks the
buyer doesn't pay is kidding himself. As long as it isn't excessive, I
don't see a problem.
The handling fee should be part of the purchase price. You don't go
to a store and get charged a handling fee, do you? After all, they
have to pay someone to put the product on the shelf, don't they? They
have to pay someone to ring up your purchase and put it in the bag?
Should they charge you a packaging fee too?
A few years back, I bid successfully on a tele-extender for a camera.
The bidding started at $1.00, with free shipping. I bid $15, but since
nobody else bid, I got it for $1.00.
Well, I felt a bit bad about it, as the fellow had obviously thought
it was going to go high enough to pay for his free shipping. I ended
up sending him $10.00
My point in this is that there really are a few ways to do it.
1. bidding starts at $1, shipping set at $5, handling set at $2
2. bidding starts at $3, shipping set at $5, no handling charge
3. bidding starts at $8, no shipping charge, no handling charge
Is there any difference to the buyer here? #1 ensures the seller will
recoup his expenses, without having to set a reserve. I look at the
entire package when I decide what to bid, and I don't much care
whether the cost is listed in column A or column B.
I tend not to bid on items that have all the cost in the shipping and
handling, but that's because it usually means that the overall price
is too high. To me, that's a regular sale, not an auction, and I
resent paying more for it than the current market stipulates through
the bidding process.
Would you feel better if it was buried in the price of the part? Does that
make you think you aren't paying it? I really don't see the problem as long
as a) it isn't excessive and b) it's fully disclosed. Most people with a
high school education should be able to do the math. Do you believe mail
order places should not charge for shipping? After all, when you go to Best
Buy and purchase a television, they don't add a shipping charge, do they?
Yet the television had to be shipped there, so Amazon is cheating people by
charging shipping, right?
Unless a mail order company drop ships from the manufacturer, they had to
pay shipping to a warehouse somewhere somehow. This is no different than
a retail store paying to have stock shipped to them.
Oftentimes, it is excessive. Last night, for example, my wife was
looking for a USB cable for her cell phone. Lots of people are
selling them, most starting around $20 with shipping around $4. But
there are a couple people who are selling them for $4 with shipping at
$25. All of those are "BUY IT NOW" prices. Certainly it doesn't cost
*ANYONE* $25 to ship a USB cable, they are just making extra money off
the buyer ($5 additional over other sellers) and extra money off eBay.
In short, they're ripping everyone off.
It's called having character. Too bad so many people have none.
They can be, depending on how they do it. I have no problem with a shipping
and handling charge but they can be used in a bogus manor. In the case of
these EBay sellers, many of them are using the S&H charge to both rip off
PayPal and EBay as well as fool the buyer into thinking they are getting the
item for less money. Another problem with this crap that may not apply to
EBay so much but could happen is screwing you if you return it. You buy an
interesting widget for the unbelievably low price of $19.99 but it has a
$200 S&H charge. You the buyer reasons (like many in here have) as this
thing is easily worth the $220 combined cost, probably more like $300 and it
has a money back guarantee so who cares how the price is laid out. So you
order it and it shows up a week later in perfect condition but it proves to
be both an advertising scam and a piece of junk. No problem you say, it has
a guarantee and send it back for your refund. The seller of course honors
his commitment and sends you back a refund check ....... for $19.99. Hey,
wait a minute, it cost you far more than that and you call the seller to get
this corrected. His response is... I'm sorry Sir, but you paid $19.99 for
the product which we fully refunded, the $200 was payment for our excellent
shipping and handling service and is not refundable.
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