Through MY OWN experience, I have concluded that the quality of modern
Craftsman tools is very inconsistent at best and I now avoid them.
That's my choice. Having admitted that, I couldn't figure out why these
unsolicited disparaging remarks and the "Crapsman" epithet always rub
me the wrong way, until now.
It's rude. Simple as that.
Most of us on this forum are essentially strangers, even though we
share a meaningful connection through this hobby/profession of ours.
How many of us would walk into a stranger's shop and point to his
equipment and say "That's a POS"? Most of us would never do such a
There are a lot of folks on the wreck who for a variety of reasons own
and use one or more Craftsman tools. One of these reasons may be that
it's what they have and they don't have the free funds to replace it. I
contend that gratuitous bashing of Craftsman (or any brand) amounts to
pointing and laughing at people who we don't know well, and to whom we
should extend a higher level of courtesy.
By describing the bashing as "gratuitous" I am distinguishing it from
the honest, fact-based, and well intentioned sharing of opinions that
also goes on here. Hey, some may want to call LROD a tool snob, but
facts are facts. Like me and others, his opinion about Craftsman is
based on personal experience.
Just my two cents...
Well said~! Not everyone has a particular NEED for high $ production quality
tools. Some are on limited budgets. Others may only need a particular tool
very infrequently. So there's little need to bash someone else's choice when
it differs from what they have. Unless they absolutely HAVE to do it as a
compensatory mechanism for their lack of something....
100 years ago, when electric machinery wasn't all the rage people got by
just fine....witness the woodworking that exists today that relied upon hand
tools. And ANY of today's machinery tools are much improved. So the runout
on your tool is .0002 less than mine ....BFD!
On Wed, 09 Mar 2005 10:51:19 -0800, Steve <Steve> wrote:
This is actually a Bosch tool. <G> The Bosch version, known as the
1617EVS is subject to market price competition, the Craftsman version
This is the router I'm referring to:
and the genuine Bosch version:
Notice that freebies Coastal includes make the Bosch version cheaper
than the incomparable and non-price matchable Craftsman version.
They're not, unless they're rebadged versions of what you called "high
end" in another post. I've never owned a Craftsman tool, that was
_less money_ than the competition, that was any good. The Craftsman
power tools that were serviceable were either the same price or more
expensive than examples from Bosch, Porter Cable, Makita, DeWalt,
It's really NOT about status, most brand name tools actually do
Barry (Who fits cleanly into LRod's "Had Craftsman and moved on"
I was aware that the router was essentially the same except for
cosmetics as the Bosch 1617EVS before I bought it. But at the time it
was $20 less than the Bosch. If they'd been offering the free accessory
kit with it at the time, I'd have bought the Bosch version. :-)
Never had any complaints about the Craftsman stuff I've bought, either
in terms of price or performance. Not everything I own is Craftsman,
BTW. And my next major purchase will most likely be a band saw, and I'm
fairly certain it WON'T be a Craftsman!
Ba r r y wrote:
If they satisfy you, and you think they are great, ignore all the other
responses. But there are other manufactureres. I have a number of
Craftsman tools; some are good, others could be better. Applies to Delta
and DeWalt too.
<Steve> wrote in message
Great is not the issue: Usable and reliable are. And a vast customer
service & replacement parts capability doesn't hurt either. I can still
order some of the parts for that 32-year-old RAS (see below), for example.
Not ignored, but taken with a grain of salt, shall we say? And when
someone's wrong, I have an obligation to say so, don't I? :-) Besides,
The guy who started this thread obviously did it to start something. I
felt duty-bound to help him out in that endeavor.
But there are other manufactureres.
You mean like the ones who make Craftsman tools? Sears doesn't make ANY
of them--the list includes Emerson Electric, Singer, Bosch.
Craftsman tools aren't the only ones I have either. One of the reasons
I have as many Craftsman tools as I do is that my mother-in-law in the
70's and 80's was a Sears employee in the HW/Tool department, so I not
only was able to have her buy stuff for me on occasion, but she would
tip me off when an exceptional sale was about to happen. That's how I
got the RAS (regular price in 1973: $160, purchase price: $108) and a
few of the other things I got back then.
> be better. Applies to Delta and DeWalt too.
Me too: The Black & Decker cordless drill I bought a while back was
total crap--the Ryobi that replaced it was (and still is) excellent.
Oh great! Another sandlefoot with some whiny crap about
Craftsman. You and all your rubberneck friends wouldn't
know fine tools if each and every one of them came up and
whacked you in the face. Maybe that's your problem. You
don't know which end of the tool to use and which way to
Some of you sandbaskets really need to get out to the shop
and get working on something that would make Uncle Jessy
proud, something that would give him the proper cause to
slide his thumbs in behind his suspenders and say, "Wee
Doggies!" and I'm not talking about another one of your Norm
inspired basket weave router tables I'm talking about
something that can only be made with your Craftsman tools.
Why there was once a day when all you needed was a shop full
of Craftsman tools and IQ higher than a grapefruit,
something you slow paced clown college rejects can only
aspire to and you could do anything. Now you knob polishers
can't stop wimpering until the tops on your Unisaws are
perfectly flat. Uncle Jessy just shakes his head in
disgust. What you all need is a Craftsman table saw from
the 80's, the ones that real craftsmen use, the one with
Uncle Jessy's stamp of approval.
Speaking of stamps, I think it's just about time one or two
of you maybe took up collecting the things. Then you
wouldn't be here making total ignoramuses of yourselves with
all your, "my Craftsman tools ruined my project". Well
guess what, you couldn't get a boo-hoo out of Uncle Jessy if
it was Halloween and you were telling Knock Knock jokes.
You disgust Uncle Jessy and tarnish everything that's good
about this country. See ya later sand butts. Knock
p.s. I love Uncle Jessy and don't mess with the Dukes! I
Git 'er done!
That's the point, isn't it? If the tools you have get the job done, and
you're happy with 'em, then they're good stuff. Doesn't matter what you
paid for 'em, or what brand name they have or don't have on 'em, does it?
And my guitars come out just fine using my collection of Craftsman,
DeWalt, Ryobi, and (Omigod, dare I admit this?) Harbor Freight tools.
Take a look: http://www.cyrguitars.com
(Top Posted and not one damned bit snipped)
I told you fellas that you was gonna get Uncle Jessie fired up with
all this foolishness, and such.
Now see what ya gone and done?
watson - who can only say, "Once a Duke, Always a Duke".
and thet ain't no bullljivin', sonnyjim.
On Wed, 09 Mar 2005 16:48:15 -0600, Uncle Jessie And Don't You Forget
Thomas J. Watson - WoodDorker
tjwatson1ATcomcastDOTnet (real email)
RAS, 1972, Good. Used for everything under the sun, even firewood when I
bought slabs as a poor student. Maybe I should say impecunious student.
Small metal router, 1980, Excellent
Plastic router, 1990, so so.
TS, 1972, Good. Fence fair minus, but usable with a little care. Ripping
TS, 1968, Very good. Fence bad, but used for crooscut only, so not an
Two big angle grinders, 1975, Good.
Sabre saw, 1975, OK.
Bandsaw, old, used, Excellent.
Planer, used, Very good, but a little short in the bed. Works fine.
Standup drillpress, 1999, Very good.
What they need is some tool people who can keep the quality consistent.
I've seen the junk, but there's lots of good too. Both these TS are very
square and have almost immeasureable runout.
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