Can you imagine the horrendous liability issues (asked by a person who
was recently rear-ended while stopped at a red-light)? As someone
observed in a photo already posted, there were too-many bodies. But in
some areas of the country, this may be the only viable option for a
workshop. Hopefully, they will have the sense to reject or eject some
applicants. Marijuana is now legal in CA. Can you imagine any potential
conflict there? "Did you pick up any more of them dovetails,
buddy?" Last week, in a school I am familiar with, a number of 7th
graders were sent home for bringing legal pot to school. Maybe nothing
new under the sun? Some tolerance (which seemed to exist in the 70's)
seemed better than trying to "jail everybody up".
All of that said, I wish "the cooperative" the best of luck.
Hmm, You're referring to the Portland Maker Space that Elec. Comet posted.
This current post is related the Tech Shop in the Bay area.
What this post is related to is the following: you're an investor with stoc
k in the company. If you own Exxon and one of their tankers hits a reef and
spills oil, you as an individual don't bear the responsibility for the cle
anup, the company does. Of course your financial stake in the company might
be impacted by the stock price decrease or by reduced revenues, etc. But t
he government(s) - state, local, fed - don't go after individual share hold
I am very familiar with The Tech Shop having taken classes there and used s
ome of the equipment. You sign a waiver and you MUST take a safety class pr
ior to being allowed to use the equipment for each piece of equipment you w
ant to use. Also there are tech support people who roam the area and I'd im
agine they would stop you from doing something stupid.
Can you hurt yourself or someone else at one of these spaces, yes of course
. Years ago, I took a woodworking class. Signed waivers and a safety briefi
ng EVERY DAY of the three days in class. Two idiots who were drinking durin
g lunch one day (I was at the next table and saw them) decided to FREEHAND
a tablesaw cut. The piece of wood flew behind them and made a mark in the w
all. The owner/instructor saw this and STOPPED the class and told them in v
ery calm words - go home and don't come back. They did and forfeited their
While personally I don't know if there have been any accidents at places li
ke the Tech Shop, I'd imagine there have been. I guess that's why they carr
y insurance and why they enforce the safety classes. They don't care you ha
ve been a woodworker for 10 years. You GOT to go to the safety class. Beyon
d that, you are on your own. Of course if the environment is unsafe, there
might be cause for suing.
BTW: legal marijuana doesn't start in California until 2018. However we hav
e had legal medicinal pot for 10 years.
Unfortunately for the shop, having a signed waver only helps to promote
shop safety. I would be surprised if someone was hurt at the fault of
some one there, and went to court, if he would loose the suit. A signed
waver does not trump the law. If the signed waver was rock solid
protection there would be no need for insurance. And I am certain the
insurance company requires the waver to limit liability.
I absolutely would not want to be an investor in anything like that.
Maybe not. But you might probably like to be a "supporter", if it was in
Would it be more difficult to do this as a not-for-profit entity? I
never heard of a non-profit entity issuing bonds. A public utility is
close? One has to really keep up with things to participate in this
newsgroup! ; )
On Saturday, February 4, 2017 at 6:24:48 PM UTC-5, Bill wrote:
Are you asking if it would be difficult for a not-for-profit to run a
cooperative workshop? If so, then while I can't address the "difficulty"
level, I can say that the Makerspace workshop near me is a 501(c)(3)
tax-exempt nonprofit organization.
Everything they do is supported by donations and/or membership dues.
On Saturday, February 4, 2017 at 7:04:57 PM UTC-5, Bill wrote:
You are welcome!
Speaking of "credit enhancement", I had to laugh at a sign that I saw on the
side of the road this morning. It was one of those cheap lawn signs, like
We'll Fix Your Credit! $250
Right, like I'm going turn over all of my credit and financial
information to some guy who paid about $5 to print a sign and
stick it alongside a road. And I get to pay him $250 too?
What could possibly go wrong?
Sometimes when I get away from the tools for a bit, I have to remind
myself of all the safety habits. For example, it's not a bad idea to
give the lathe a spin by hand before you turn it on, just to make sure
your work piece clears. That's easy to forget that first time back.
A refresher course could be a good thing.
A mini archive of some of rec.woodworking's best and worst!
the techshops have been around for several years now and there are
techshops across the country so they have worked out the issues
that had to be prominent in their business model and no sensible
investor could have overlooked that issue and it was probably the
top issue worked on
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