Well some one was bound to offer a larger Fiat with an American name on
it. Just so happens it actually was Fiat.
You would think they would have learned after their first go round when
I'uh'cocoa was brought in to straighten things out.
Funny tho that the Mustang II was an exceedingly popular car
in it's day - you used to see them all over the place. It
just goes to show how crappy the alternatives were at that
And Ford got the next Mustang right. I recall back when
the Florida Highway Patrol had a bunch of turbo Mustangs
around 1980 (they had discovered that their prior cruisers,
mostly Dodges, wouldn't exceed 100mph flat out). Then,
after California talked Ford into a police package based
on the 302 V8, FHP used them until the CVPI came out.
Well so were the Pinto's and Vegas. It was what we had to choose from
at the time if you wanted a small vehicle. Toyota was just getting into
the US market a few years prior with the Corollas and they did not have
a proven track record yet. Funny how that all turned out.
I don't think the Mustang, even the originals were ever designed from
the ground up. IIRC originals were based on the Comet or Falcon, one of
the other small vehicles. Then the Pinto, then the "Fox" body back to
one of the others. I think only "after" the Fox body did the Mustang
get designed from the ground up.
Well, they got the platform right, if you prefer. And that
generation had much better build quality, and didn't rust,
and weren't grossly overweight and underpowered like the
Mustang II. Any way you look at it, a much better car.
I think the modern Mustangs are actually based on a Jaguar
platform, altho since Ford sold Jaguar I guess they're unique
to the Mustang now.
For certain values. The D2C was derived from the DEW that was used in
the Lincoln LS, Ford Thunderbird, and Jaguar S type. How much of that
design was Jaguar and how much was Ford I have no idea, but I can't see
Ford letting a subsidiary field a new design that will be sold under the
Ford brand without the home team approving it first. For 2015 though
the Mustang has had a ground-up redesign and is currently on a unique
Ahhh, memories. :-) My second car. High school. Green and red
quarter panels... the Christmas car. I learned half of what I know
about auto mechanics on that summbench. Necessity is the mother of
knowledge. I drove for 1/2 of junior year using only the parking
"Playing is not something I do at night, it's my function in life"
I don't think he mentioned anything about Japanese cars.
I in another post mentioned the Corollas.... And while they may not have
been ideal they started about 20% less expensive than the Vega and
Pinto. And they did improve, which cannot be said about either of the
other two. Corollas are still around 40+ years later.
The last T-Birds were based on a "dinner roll" with wheels. Or was it
the PT Cruiser?
One thing I never quite understood was that most new brands introduced
here never bring their "A" game. Lexus and Acura probably being the
only exceptions and only because Toyota and Honda were already here and
had a good reputation by the mid 80's.
Yugo, Diahatsu, Fiat, again, Mini Cooper did not and or do not have a
good reputation for being reliable at all.
How now? Are you saying the "Fox" platform cars had a rust
problem? Or that 1980's vintage Hondas and Toyotas had a
While I'll grant you that the cars of the 80's, especially
the early 80's, weren't examples of classic automobile
engineering, I think they did resolve a lot of the problems
that cars from the 70's exhibited.
This branch of the thread had moved on to me saying the later
Fox bodied cars were much better. Try to keep up :-)
Way way up thread I said the Mustang II was popular, because
the competition was just as bad, so I agree with your
premise that Japanese cars of the 70's had problems.
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