A quick search didn't find a distributor w/ online prices listed for the
larger OSC saws but a 2000 review of the 10" in FWW had it listed for
$2500 or thereabouts; I've probably underestimated the larger based on that.
I did see that Freud and some of the others now have 16" blades in the
$100+ price range; I guess the larger cutoff saws have generated some
demand. I might have to explore what is now available; I'm still using
the same blades I got with it originally; they're much heavier than what
one is used to; almost like a (very) small sawmill blade. Hence, at the
rate a small shop uses them up they can be resharpened almost
indefinitely unless one were really, really abusing one with highly
abrasive woods or huge amounts of dirt or foreign objects in reclaimed
That was the hardest on blades in VA; we tried to reuse as much original
material as possible from those old places and would also buy or dive
material from scrap of others that were being razed or gutted by those
who didn't try to refurb but just built new inside the old structures(+)
as raw material sources for those we were refurbishing/restoring.
(+) We tried once bidding the demolition on one of these w/ the idea we
would retrieve instead of just demolish and lost our shirts. The
contract had a time performance penalty and in the end to meet it it was
either go to the demolish route or hire so much extra labor to salvage
what we needed that it didn't pay. :( It was almost heartbreaking to
see what went to burn piles out of some those places...
Well, not _too_ badly...
(Of course, this is just the "entry-level" model... :) )
If one really were looking for larger RAS, the place is the used market;
they really don't bring top dollar. Of course, you'll generally need
3-phase power or a converter; very few industrial will have single-phase
motors just as most Unisaurs or PM66 or other gear from such sites will
be. Still, for equivalent $$ one can get a lot of machine.
What I still covet is a 16" or larger Crescent or similar old jointer; I
just don't do enough work to justify it any longer. A local shop in
Lynchburg would give us evening/night access to theirs...what a joy to
surface an old 3x12 or such salvaged old-growth beam in a single pass on
the way to turning it into panels or other architectural details...
Hadn't seen that particular one, thanks...there are several.
In the US SE there's quite a lot of cypress and SYP being reclaimed the
same way; lesser amounts of other hardwoods (obviously, given the
It just pains me to the core to see old timbers go under the wrecking
ball that are perfect inside needing only a little TLC to remove the
foreign material and resurface or resaw... :(
Heck, I save every old tuba-X from the old sheds and barn addition and
everything else out here and will eventually use most of it
somewhere...it's only 100 yr-old (roughly) SYP but there are 18- and
20-ft 2x6 w/o a knot or more than very small ones all over...
There are some more recent vintage (late-50s) 20- and even a couple of
24-ft 2x8 and 2x10 Doug fir joists in the haymow leftover from when we
built the feedmill and associated bins into the loft. I can't imagine
what one of those would cost at a lumber yard today if one could even
find such a thing...
I'm not sure what I will do with them; I can't bring myself to cut them
I've a picture or two of the barn under construction just after WWI--the
cost of the timber used for the scaffolding would cost more than a good
sized house finished today, I'm sure... :)
I saw a couple of old houses being demolished in Buffalo the other
day. I was pleased to see how they were doing it. The organization is
"Buffalo Reuse". See:
Was too young back then to have thought of their expedient... :) (or :(
more like it) altho access would have a trick where the particular house
was located w/ large equipment like shown there. But it's the trick for
speeding up the demo but still have mostly salvageable stuff in the end.
Hate to see the old plaster castings/carvings in ceilings, cornices,
etc., get destroyed as well...
_Just_KNEW_ shouldn't have mentioned that; that got me to drooling again...
I asked for a quote; we'll see what they say... :)
Yeah, they'll just load the UPS truck on the semi, no problem... :)
From FL out here will have to enter in to the picture for sure. I
bought a JLG 40H 40-ft boom manlift the year came back to the farm owing
to needing the reroof job on it and the house plus several other high
jobs could see including trees. Broker was in FL while machine outside
Chicago--he had arrangement w/ private trucking and guaranteed it for
$600--ended up costing $800 but he kept his bargain. It weighed about
12k lb and took up most of the load; if they can find shared load one of
these is probably about 2000lb and doesn't take up much space so
shouldn't be _too_ bad but it's been a while since I've shipped
something sizable; fuel surcharges have to be a factor.
I've not heard on this one; they sent a $3500 quote for a 12" Crescent
w/ a "make an offer" disclaimer. I'm sure I'll manage to fight off the
urge, but it's a temptation, sure... :)
BTW, they've a nice-looking 16" General up north closer to you; somebody
has even retrofitted it for single-phase...
That'll prep some stock for the carver... :)
"Infeed" and "outfeed" are meaningless terms when talking about cross-
cutting on a RAS. It's a lot easier to lay the thing on the RAS table
and prop up the ends with saw horses or stools or a rope tied to the
ceiling than it is to work out some kind of movable or low friction
support for the ends as is needed with a table saw.
I never talked about "infeed" or "outfeed" (intentionally, anyway; I
won't say I didn't write something confusingly inadvertently :) ); there
I was indending the directions to be those when ripping.
It may be easier for a one-time deal, surely; but the solution (and imo
which isn't so humble :) ) the only way to have a RAS workstation is to
have it in a long table that supports the largest majority lengths of
material used for both crosscutting and ripping. Mine sits in a 20'
section w/ roughly equal distances both directions. Now granted that's
a little more than most have room for but it now sits in the alleyway of
the barn that's 66 ft unobstructed so it's not a problem. The 20' is
because it fit the full length of the garage wall shop in TN and I've
not enlarged it.
Again, of course, this is a 16" puppy and I had it that size owing to
doing mostly ante- and early post-bellum renovations in Lynchburg, VA,
and surrounding counties when I got it to handle the sizes of materials
we were finding in them.
I'd have been happy w/ a 14 or even 12 but got lucky and an acquaintance
working at the old Lane furniture (then the new production facility was
almost new) got me a deal on this one out of the old facility in Alta Vista.
He who is plonked is a little slow and prides himself when he can find a
statement that can be understood in a way. Helps him think of himself
as an expert. They are in feed and out feed tables as you mentioned,
making the comparison to the TS. As you well know they don't change
names because you happen to use them for cross cutting also.
Did I just say that? ;~0
If any part of a 2x10 fits onto the infeed or outfeed table on your
table saw it must be an amazingly small saw.
You need an additional support for cross cutting long boards that is
neither infeed nor outfeed but an end support.
The usefulness of a RAS does not negate the fact that is proportionally
easier to make a serious screw up than with any other power tool.
A Big ol' beefy 12" Delta, from industrial yore, is a mighty fine piece
of gear which will do things other devices won't. BUT, you best be
really careful, be very alert, and make sure there's no hidden cuppage
or twistage (suck on those two words, spelchucker) in your stock... or a
Now add the instability of the sheetmetal, stamped pieces of shit that
Craftsman put out and you have amplified the danger by a large
percentage. A sloppy arm with a wonky motor with crap bearings and a
whirling, toothed wheel of death hanging, spinning in mid air over a
work surface is just NOT my idea of a device that makes me all
comfy-womfy in terms of safety.
BTW, all you proponents of the RAS... If you ever need to cut an end off
a 12' x 1x6.. do what I do. A Swanson aluminum Speedsquare and a
circular saw. I can get a pretty nice cut anywhere any time without
first have to clean all the crap off the RAS table and move countless
objects d'art so I can manoeuvre a hunk of lumber, through a shop just
to do that simple operation on a very dangerous piece of crap.
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