You want a cheap piecee of junk or a good one. Unifence-Bies are two
of the best in not the two best. Also hear Ok thuings about Excaliber,
Osbourne. I use Unifence with the might t track attachment. I couldn't
design a better if I tried and I have,
On Mon, 13 Oct 2003 00:03:23 GMT, "Christian"
Sometimes you can find a good deal on the Biesmeyer site for stuff they
are closing out or the finished is marred. Have a 50" Bmeyer Home shop
on a Jet contractor saw. A good fence make a huge diff. in the use of
Im looking a entry level table saw
(http://www.sears.ca/cgi-bin/ic_item.cgi?itemID 1046) and would like to do
a small update to a the fence... all the different saw I looked at where
almost the same with a different fence....
So since im on a budget (and im not a cabinet maker) im looking for the best
entry level table saw and a decent fence upgrade...
I have spent thousands of dollars on table saws and woodworking stuff
in general and if I was to say what made the biggest difference in any
tool I on it would be the fence on the table saw. I love tools more
than woodworking so I pay particular attention to them. Has delta
34-444 (I think) contractors saw and used an old Rockwlell saw at
work. It was an old 3 phase, HEAVY son -of-a-gun and a professional by
all accounts so there was a difference between mine and the Rockwell.
When I bought a Unifence for the heck of it off Ebay (back when it
first started), I was absolutley startled, amazed, overwhelmed as soon
as I out it it on by the difference it made. It still impresses me
whenever I use it. I bought a Might-T-Track fence becaause I missed
being able to put board buddies on it and feather boards so I bought
it. I have friends who have had similar experiences with the Bies
fence. I just happen to like the Unifence but would be happy with
either. Don't know how to say this correctly but to me the fence makes
the most important part of the saw.
On Mon, 13 Oct 2003 01:35:06 GMT, "Christian"
Christian, I have to be frank about this. The saw you are looking at is not
going to be improved by adding a better fence. Save your money.
Honest, I had that same saw as my first. I used the saw for over a year and
made some nice things on it. Buy the saw on sale, buy a better blade than
what comes with it, and have at it. The miter slots are non-standard and
the miter is a sloppy fit. That was my biggest beef with it. The fence
works, but it will take a little more care to set up than say a Biesemeyer.
Put in a new blade (figure $50 or so), adjust the curser on the fence and
start cutting. Just take the time to measure from the blade to the fence to
be sure it is set square before you make the cut.
My other complaint was the short table. Most saws in that price range are a
few inches shorter than the $800 contractors saws. It makes it more
difficult cross cutting a 1 x 8 as you can't get the miter to hold it
without falling out of the slots.
Do not put any more into the saw than a good blade. Get a Freud Diablo, or
Oldham, or one of the better brands and that will be the best upgrade you
can do. If $200 is your budget, be happy with it. It cuts wood. Don't
expect it to cut 12/4 oak, but for most 3/4 stock it will do you OK for a
couple of years. I bought it not knowing if I'd like woodworking so it
would not be a huge loss if I decided not to continue. I made doll cradles,
benches, all sorts of things for the grandkids with it.
I just wanted to second the Comments made by Edwin...
I am not a cabinet maker either but I honestly think you are wasting
your money buying "that" saw then wanting to spend more money to upgrade
i too am on a budget, though my credit cards may not reflect it at
I picked up a used but in great shape craftsman saw. 10" belt driven
with cast iron webbed wings for 150. not a gloat really, but it
wasn't that far when i picked it up. bought a blade, freud 50T combo
for 40. bought a PALS kit from woodcraft, and a pulley/link belt for
21 and 55 respectively. had to pick up a gear puller to get the arbor
pulley off. 4 bucks from harbor freight.
so to do the math
55 pulley/link belt
4 3 arm gear puller 4"
55 mobile base
so that's 325 total so far on my saw.
now, i did see this saw however on ebay going for 100 bucks, and
selling for 100 bucks. they just weren't within 100 miles of me. i
saw saws like mine with stamped steel wings for under 100 bucks. some
even with mobile bases.
the deals are out there to be had. if you don't mind shopping around
for a while. it does take the momentum out of building a woodshop,
but it allows you to buy more tools. :)
as for a fence... that's rough. i have a crappy fence. i need a new
one, as it won't stay in alignment at all. for a sears bought fence,
i hear the XR2424 ain't bad.
On Mon, 13 Oct 2003 17:42:00 GMT, bummster
My story goes like this.
Paid $200 for a Crapsman (includes mobile base). A new arbor, 2 - zero
clearance inserts, Link belts and finally, 50" Accursquare fence from
Mule Cabinetmaker ($229 including shipping)
$200 - Crapsman
$17 - Arbor
$15 - Link Belts
$41 - 2, zero clearance Insert.
$229 - An Accusquare 50" ripe fence (Price includes shipping).
So far I have already spent more or less $502. I am making a roll-away
workshop (Popular Woodworking special issue Winter 2001) with my
router and Crapsman.
I expecting to spend additional one to two hundred more to complete
the project. I will also be installing Lee Valley router's insert that
I bought earlier. Overall at the end of it I expect to about $800, Is
it worth it? I really dunno???
When you absolutely need a saw you well never find one...However I
attended an auction in the spring that was for household furniture and
collectibles. Wife dragged me along...what can I say...
However I came home with a 9 inch contractors saw (Delta/Rockwell) that
had a masonry blade on the arbor ..saw had no fence, no motor or
anything sitting with it..BUT another box in the far corner of the sales
floor contained everything... Heck I was the only bidder and gave them
10 bucks .... By the next weekend that saw was set up and it runs
beautifully..passes the nickel test has no run out of the arbor... I
made a sled for it and I now use it for crosscutting and save my Cabinet
saw for other uses... lol
Good deals are out there ..usually when you are not in the market
etc...Biggest bummer with this saw is that I have more in the sled and
much more in the 9 inch blade I had to hunt long and hard to
find..(sears btw) but now that I know this saw is darn good a Forrest
will be ordered soon...
Also at this sale I picked up a 100 pound 37 inch tall bench top drill
press for the I think 20 bucks...drill press is a Milwaukee (and I never
knew they made a drill press..still not sure it is the same company that
makes Milwaukee drills... But it also works like a charm...
Yep I spent 20-30 or so bucks ...invested another 50 a blade and
materials and came home a happy camper...except the wife blew 100's of
on "collectable dust collectors"..and not the type of dust collectors
you would use in the shop...!
It's a good thing when she spends more than you do. Never a need to
feel guilty and never a reason to lose an argument over money.
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