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90 Degree Angle Braces - $$$$$$$!!

Yeah, true, but even if the cost to produce them was $10 - and I highly doubt it's more than about $3, that kind of markup would be way over what's typical for profitability.

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Mike Marlow
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Which makes your opinion credible, of course?

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Guess who

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Doug Brown

not to me.

Yes, I suppose. But I think there is very little value offered for that price. Not when it would be so easy to make something like it from plywood. Which I have done. Or even angle iron. Which I have also used.

Okay, they will continue to sell them for that price. There are a lot of guys out there that maybe don't quite know what they are buying. Yup, they are the legitimate prey of honest capitalists like Lee Valley. Hey, I've ordered from Lee Valley in the past. They have some unique items you are not likley to find anywhere else.

Do those squares perform as advertised? Sure. Is anyone being ripped off? Nah. Are there better cheap alternatives? I'm sure.

Now, if I had a little brother who was ramping up a shop of his own, I would not advise him to spend much money on Lee Valley stuff. But y'all ain't my little brother.

Caveat Emptor (Did I spell that right?)

-Dan V.

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Dan Valleskey

Typical selling price for items sold through the retail distribution system have selling prices about 4X the cost of material. Next time you chug a beer, drink a store bought cup of coffee, replace a printer ink cartridge, apply a gallon of paint, see if you can justify your statement in light of the cost of raw material.

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Edwin Pawlowski

Yes, often the cost of materials AND labor is bumped 50 -100% going to the wholesaler, who then bumps it again 100%, and then the retailer bumps it 100% again.

So, if it cost 3$ in material, and $2 in labor, it goes out the door to the wholesaler for $10, who then sells it to the retailer for $15-$20, who then marks it up again. Everyone at EVERY LEVEL has to make a profit off that item that cost $3 in materials

John

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John

Dan wrote:>Caveat Emptor (Did I spell that right?)

Perfectly! Tom Work at your leisure!

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Tom

Tool distributors and retailers don't have anywhere near that kind of markup. 15-20% is much more common.

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mp

Sat, Jan 8, 2005, 10:17pm snipped-for-privacy@here.com (Guess=A0who) questions: Which makes your opinion credible, of course?

110% more cridible then his, and that's no bullshit.

JOAT Success is getting what you want. Happiness is wanting what you get.

- =A0Dale Carnegie

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J T

I think you would be better off machining it after you welded it. The technique you describe is likely to induce warp in the piece and while it may be possible to weld with a technique to reduce the warpage, I doubt you could reasonably expect any technique to give you zero.

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Roger Shoaf

It'd be easy if I could afford welding equipment. :)

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Silvan

Sat, Jan 8, 2005, 10:30pm (EST-3) snipped-for-privacy@nospamsyix.com (Roger=A0Shoaf) says: I think you would be better off machining it after you welded it. The technique you describe is likely to induce warp in the piece and while it may be possible to weld with a technique to reduce the warpage, I doubt you could reasonably expect any technique to give you zero.

Well, I'm not about to got into a buchch of "how I'd do it", and variables include type of joining used, angle iron thickness, etc.. But, yeah, I expect I could do it without warping, and no machining. Not in 30 seconds, but doable close enuogh to zero as to not matter - then you paint it yellow. I figure most people here could, after a bit of practice. Then there's always the 10% that couldn't do it with a robot welder.

But, I doubt I'd do it, I'd probably just use plywood, as described by someone else. Faster, easier, cheaper, just as accurate.

JOAT Success is getting what you want. Happiness is wanting what you get.

- =A0Dale Carnegie

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J T

Sat, Jan 8, 2005, 10:41pm (EST-3) snipped-for-privacy@earthlink.net (CW) informs us: It'll move when it comes out of the jig. If not immediately, in time. Guaranteed.

Anything to back up that statement?

JOAT Success is getting what you want. Happiness is wanting what you get.

- =A0Dale Carnegie

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J T

Anything to back up that statement?

JOAT Success is getting what you want. Happiness is wanting what you get.

- Dale Carnegie

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CW

Sun, Jan 9, 2005, 8:22am (EST-3) snipped-for-privacy@earthlink.net (CW) claims: Yep, 19 years of machining and fabrication experience. Weldments will move after fabrication unless stress relieved.

Machining and fabricating what? You saying "anything" welded will move unless it's stress relieved? Elucidate.

JOAT Success is getting what you want. Happiness is wanting what you get.

- =A0Dale Carnegie

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J T

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Guess who

Look it up. It's not my goal in life to educate you.

Machining and fabricating what? You saying "anything" welded will move unless it's stress relieved? Elucidate.

JOAT Success is getting what you want. Happiness is wanting what you get.

- Dale Carnegie

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CW

he's actually almost completely right. there are ways to weld that do not result in a stressed joint. those would pretty much fall into the exotic category, though...

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bridger

Sun, Jan 9, 2005, 10:02am (EST-3) snipped-for-privacy@earthlink.net (CW) says: Look it up. It's not my goal in life to educate you.

Sure it is. You're the one seems to think anything and everything that gets welded needs stress relief. I don't. Especially something like this. Hell, if I was that worried about it, I'd just use epoxy, or JB Weld.

=A0 What "do" you machine and fabricate? Or, do you just work for a company that does?

JOAT Success is getting what you want. Happiness is wanting what you get.

- =A0Dale Carnegie

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J T

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