I'm looking to upgrade my TS from a Delta/Rockwell 9" and I found a 12"
Powermatic advertised (big leap up). The details 5hp single ph 240v, Bisy
fence, cast iron extensions ,0 Clearance insert, dado blade& insert, mobile
base. Used in a home builders cabinet shop, say's its in ex condition. I
don't know how old. I googled and found very little on 12" PM TS but many
happy PM owners. I'm going to look at it later this week and would like any
tips on inspecting it, pitfalls to look out for ,ect. I will bring a dial
indicator and ck runout, and I believe it's under power right now.
I'd just be sure to check very closely regarding the power assumptions.
Otherwise, these are great tools, for the commercial shop, and for the
Check the size of the arbor, too, and see if you can negotiate some of
their old blades and maybe a dado set. I seem to think that at least one
company's 12" version of their table saw used 1" arbors.
Our Adult Ed shop declined a Delta Crescent 12/14, and that was one of the
Those are good points...it's somewhat unusual for Powermatic to use 5 hp
single phase, but I think it can be ordered that way. It will certainly
be a 1" arbor.
One would hope that if they're selling it, they'd be willing to sell at
least a few of the blades they used with it.
The 1" arbor size is true for almost ALL 12" saws. That's
not a problem, since Freud and most of the other blade
folks make and carry 1" arbors as "standard". Most, if not
ALL 12" CMS are 1" arbor.
I would NOT pass by a decent PM-72.... That's a killer saw.
5HP single phase are rare but certainly can be found.
I took a look this morning it's a model 68 # 468076 I verified a 5 hp
single ph and a 5/8's arbor. This saw rocks. It has a full length/width
iron extention wing (the top of this saw must be an acre of cast iron),
mobil base, custom out feed table. Insides reasonably clean and lubed, cuts
nice ect. very smooth. He also has a planer(mod 180),Jointer 8" (model 60),
morticer(mod 400) Tennioner(2A) all in good shape all single phase.What's a
good price any sugestion's? (asking $2k for the saw and $1500 for the
jointer) Looking around I get the feel the saw is @ a reasonable starting
point but I think the jointer is way high.
Anybody buy/ sell recently? if it matters its in upstate NY(albany)
The jointer is quite high. A brand new PM60A can be bought for around
that price. PM has the new PM60B I assume made in Taiwan/China for just
$1150. The PM60A and B look the same in pictures.
Do you really need a 12" saw? A brand new PM66 with 3HP motor can be
bought for the same $2000. A 5HP version is $2300.
I'm not saying a brand new tool is better than old iron. Old iron can be
better if it was well taken care of and not run into the ground.
The numbers seem big to me, too. I just bought a completely refurbed
Delta/Milwaukee 8" jointer, w/60" or so of length, and paid a little
under $800. In California. Reground everything to under .001. New
blades, etc. From one of the fellows who hangs out electronically with
Unisaw A100, (owwm.com) and is in my analog woodworking club. While I
loved the price and the tool, this was an 'open market price' type of
I doubt that there is any advantage to any hobbyist woodworker I know to
having a 12"/5 hp saw, vs a 10"/3 hp saw, from the same manufacturer.
At $1500 for the saw, the price may be still a little rich. My opinion
I had the opportunity recently to buy a Delta DJ-20 for $750. It was
supposedly in good condition, but I didn't go look at it.
I was really tempted, but I decided to pass because it would be almost
impossible to get into my basement.
You didn't watch Tim Allen, did you? :)
To OP....if he's throwing in all the extras w/ the saw and you have the
room, I'd go for it. My experience has been you'll never regret having
too much tool, only too little. The 12" will do everything the 10" will
do but will have capacity the 10" doesn't, obviously....so where's the
harm if you can house it?
I'd die for the Model 180--had a chance way back when to buy one at
$800, but $800 was a <lot> of money at the time...been kicking myself
for not scraping it together ever since. :(
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