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Wind saving our bacon again

Andrew "Brillo Pad" Neil tweeted this morning:

Wind providing

Reply to
Tim Streater
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Bacon? Does this mean that pigs might fly again? Brian

Reply to
Brian-Gaff

"Personal abuse" is abuse directed towards an individual.

My remarks about Brillo were not directed towrda him. Unless of course either yourself or TNP happen to be Brillo posting under a pseudonym.

TNP's abuse was directed at me.

These facts.

"Strong winds occur mainly in the autumn and winter months associated with low pressure systems"

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"Summer

High pressure in the summer often brings fine, warm weather. It can lead to long warm sunny days and prolonged dry periods."

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Except facts which demonstrate the selectivity of Brillo's data.

michael adams

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Reply to
michael adams

And full marks to you for missing the point. That there are far easier ways of demonstrating that, than posting highly selective data which can be shot down by reference to two web pages.

And in answer to your earlier question. Having sweaty right wing polemists such as Andrew Neil presenting your case using what is clearly highly selective evidence is hardly the way to win any argument based on a dispassionate appraisal of the facts.

The BBC reference is relevant because under Murdoch's employ Neil was keen to see an end of the Licence Fee and thus the BBC But once having been given the bum's rush by Murdoch he's more than happy to take the BBC shilling funded by that self same licence fee. Basically he'll change his tune to suit his pocket.

michael adams

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Reply to
michael adams

You really believe that the one would follow the other?

Reply to
F

I still await your explanation as to their relevance.

Aw diddums.

Your useful "facts" are what any intelligent and curious 12 year old would know. You'll have to try harder than that to impress anyone here.

AN was offering an observation, based on what TNP's gridwatch website presents. Anyone can do that, even you. He just happened to tweet about it, and has in fact on occasion tweeted that "at this moment wind is producing 5GW which is 17% of current demand", or similar.

Inspection of the historical data presented in the graphs shows many periods of very low output from the wind farms. Those of us who have been watching gridwatch for some time already know that these happen when there is high pressure, and that it's not always in the summer.

Reply to
Tim Streater

His sweatiness or otherwise is neither here nor there. And see my other post.

This has nothing to do with anything under discussion, since AN is not making an argument.

Reply to
Tim Streater

Of course he will, he's a Scotsman - that's what they do. That's why many of them sing about 'bonny Scotland' at every opportunity, and then get away from it as fast as they can. That odious little shit Nicky Campbell is a prime example.

Reply to
Farmer Giles

Exactly. So what's the point ?

The only numbers that count are presumably the overall annual cost per kw generated once capital costs and depretiation are taken into account along with the capital costs and depreciation and idle time running costs of any standbye sources of power which may be required to make up any shortfall. , Be that nuclear, coal, gas, or hydro or solar if available etc, As against the overall annual cost per kw generated once capital costs and depreciation are taken into account for coal, gas, nuclear, hydro and solar

If the numbers simply don't add up, then while wind remains x times more expensive than any of the other available sources, then that's all that needs pointing out.

Those are are the only numbers that matter in the end. Not anecdotal evidence about wind vanes breaking off, towers collapsing altogether or anything else. Or meaningless statistics concerning a single days weather.

michael adams

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michael adams

Its not what I believe that matters.

"He [Andrew Neil] has previously been extremely critical of the BBC

- as a former chairman of BSkyB, he insisted the BBC should be shrunk to one TV network and three radio channels.

He also believed that the BBC should only broadcast public service programming and not stray into commercial areas such as entertainment, or sport. He described the BBC as 'the last unreformed nationalised industry'.

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Of course that was then. The only reason Brillo had to come crawling back to the 'the last unreformed nationalised industry" here in the UK, with his tail between his legs, was because Murdoch gave him his chance with his own current affairs TV show in the US, it bombed, and basically Murdoch showed him the door. That's how Rupe shows his gratitude to those who've bent to his will for years. Having swallowed all the transtlantic bollockings and silences on the phone, and put money in his pocket.

The very thought of it makes your heart bleed, it really does.

michael adams

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Reply to
michael adams

Don't tell me, the only reason you are so twitter and bisted is that you used to be his rent boy..

Reply to
The Natural Philosopher

Nope. That must have been somebody else you saw on the way out.

And even though it wasn't me, I do hope the two of you didn't fall out over it.

michael adams

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Reply to
michael adams

You singular lack of any sense humour does you proud, I must admit.

All got a bit too complicated for you, did it ?

The only numbers that count are presumably the overall annual cost per kw generated once capital costs and depretiation are taken into account along with the capital costs and depreciation and idle time running costs of any standbye sources of power which may be required to make up any shortfall. , Be that nuclear, coal, gas, or hydro or solar if available etc, As against the overall annual cost per kw generated once capital costs and depreciation are taken into account for coal, gas, nuclear, hydro and solar

If the numbers simply don't add up, then while wind remains x times more expensive than any of the other available sources, then that's all that needs pointing out.

Those are are the only numbers that matter in the end. Not anecdotal evidence about wind vanes breaking off, towers collapsing altogether or anything else. Or meaningless statistics concerning a single days weather.

Never mind, maybe Brillo has been tweeting again

michael adams

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Reply to
michael adams

About 2 miles from here, between M1 and Salcey Forest, there are 9 windmills. All of them were feathered on Thursday and Friday; didn't see then yesterday. They have a direct, 12kV, line to the railway sub-station, so I'd have expected some demand.

Reply to
PeterC

Which, even if it were to come about, would not be your predicted *end* of the BBC.

Reply to
F

But you left out a bit, didn't you ?

"He also believed that the BBC should only broadcast public service programming and not stray into commercial areas such as entertainment, or sport. He described the BBC as 'the last unreformed nationalised industry'."

So who is going to want to pay a Licence Fee for only one TV channel which only broadcasts news ? When news is freely avaible on other channels ?

So no Licence Fee.

What advertiser is going to want to advertise in a channel which only broadcasts news ? When there are plenty of more popular channels broadcasting far more popular programmes both on ITV and SkY. As existed at the time.

So no advertising either.

Who is going to want to subscribe to a channel which only broadcasts news ? Given the ready availability of news on other channels so that that the subscription income will probably only run to a desk and a studio and no foreign reporting at all.

So no subsription income either.

Now perhaps you'd care to explain how, if Brillo had had his way at the time, the BBC would have been in a position to pay for itself. Where would the money have come from ?

Such that it would still be in existence today so as to provide Brillo with steady employment.

michael adams

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Reply to
michael adams

Absolutely typical of most right wingers. They don't believe in any form of 'nationalised industry' and any successful ones must be made to fail.

After all, wouldn't do for a few shareholders not to make a profit out of everything.

Reply to
Dave Plowman (News)

There aren't any successful ones to speak of. Those that are (as measured by some criterion or other) are costing too much. Thing about private (actually public, if they have shareholders) companies is that they can be regulated and taxed.

Why should government own British Airways and have to subsidise it? Answer was to sell it off (thus getting dosh), and tax the successful business it then became (more dosh).

Reply to
Tim Streater

Absolutely typical of all left whingers. They believe that everyone else should subsidise their agenda.

Reply to
Richard

To be honest I'm not that bothered about any of the others myself.

While people who are forced to use the railways can speak for themselves.

The point about the BBC is that if Neil had had his way, the cultural life of this country such as it is would have been in the hands of Murdoch and others with a vested interest in driving down programming standards as far as possible. Basically there's no money to be made from broadcasting minority programming to minority audiences. Certainly if the viewing figures for BBC4 are any guide.

All the money is, in Neils own words "in commercial entertainment and sport" so that's all anyone would get. With maybe the odd token cultural slot featuring people who'd previously made a name for themselves on terrestrial TV.

And while I'm not a big fan of them myself I can hardly see Rupert Murdoch sponsoring the likes of the Proms - The Sky Promenade Concerts.

Unless they showed Pearl and Dean style advertising breaks on a big screen behind the orchestra, in between movements, at least.

michael adams

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michael adams

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