Wiki: Fan cooling

another one for feedback.... a godsend this time of year.

NT

Fans are widely used to cool humans by blowing air past them, but this does not lower the air temperature in any way. This article is specifically about another use, using fans to lower the temperature of a room.

=3D=3DBasic Principles=3D=3D Outdoor temperature cycles daily, reaching a peak in the afternoon, and coldest before dawn. Since daily temperature varies with the weather, these temperature peaks and minima shift in time to some extent day by day.

Houses, especially masonry buildings, contain a large quantity of thermal mass (material that stores heat and cold), and are to a varying degree insulated from the outdoors. This evens out the temperature variations, so an unheated house is generally warmer than outdoors at night, and cooler than outdoors in the afternoon.

We can both heat and cool to a limited extent simply by exchanging indoor and outdoor air at the right times.

  • to heat the house, we run exterior venting fans when outdoors is warmer than indoors
  • to cool the house, we run exterior venting fans when outdoors is cooler than indoors

The clever bit is that since a house acts as a heat store, changing its tmeperature this way will still leave it cooled or warmed for the rest of the time when the fan isn't running. A house still heats up during the day after it was cooled at night, but because it starts from a lower temperature it takes longer to get warm and doesn't reach as high a temperature.

This method can heat and cool a whole house on 200w of fan power... but:

  • it only works with a centrally heated house in summer and part of spring and autumn.
  • the heating effect is limited to several degrees
  • the cooling effect can reach 8 degrees C

=3D=3DSet up=3D=3D The system consists of either one whole house fan or several room fans that exchange indoor and outdoor air when run. The fan is controlled by 2 things: # a differential thermostat that measures indoor and outdoor temps, and runs the fan only when the desired heat gain or loss can be achieved # and a single thermostat that stops it if it reaches its target temperature (which regularly happens in summer cooling mode).

When room fans are used, its best to have separate stats for each room. This caters to varying indoor temps and varying desired target temps room by room.

=3D=3DDesign considerations=3D=3D There are several point to consider to optimise the design. Since this is a fairly low powered approach, optimisation matters.

=3D=3D=3DCommon mistakes=3D=3D=3D People often assume that manual control (ie with no thermostats) will get them the majority of the benefit. In fact it doesn't work well this way, much better results are gained with proper thermostatic control.

One mistake beginners can make is to hook up several extractor fans without providing any air intake path. This doesn't work very well :)

Another common mistake is to assume that one air change per hour is enough. In fact the level of air exchange needed to be effective is at least an order of magnitude higher than intuition would suggest.

  • 10 air changes per hour gives mild cooling, and can be achieved with small low cost fans
  • 30+ gives a much better effect, but expensive fans are unavoidable at this level.

The air path should be considered. The most effective is when air intake and exit are on opposite ends of the room. 2 air ports on one wall reduces effectiveness significantly.

A common mistake with these systems is to run the fan during the daytime to obtain cooling. Doing so only increases room temp.

The (non differential) target temp thermostat prevents overcooling in summer. Without one its quite easy to cool a house overnight enough to make it uncomfortably cold. Also running the fan into the early morning wastes electricity and just raises the house temperature.

=3D=3D=3DExtract or intake=3D=3D=3D Fans can run as extractors or intake. Each option has its pros and cons.

=3D=3D=3D=3DIntake=3D=3D=3D=3D Intake produces much more cooling in the room the fan is in, as its taking in cold air from outside rather than warm air from the rest of the house. Intake is well suited to single room systems.

Fans that will run in intake mode are quite a bit more money than extractors.

Intake fans can be a security issue. The practice of administering airborne anaesthetics for burglary is sadly a known type of crime, and an accessible intake fan is ideal for this. To avoid this its best to avoid single intakes on the ground floor (unless the airflow is fast enough to blow it out again rapidly), and mount upstairs intake fans as high up as possible.

=3D=3D=3D=3DExtract=3D=3D=3D=3D Extractor fans are common and cheaper. When using an extractor, the air intake is usually distributed over many small air leaks all around a house, so the cooling and warming effect are diffuse. Consequently extraction suits whole house systems well.

=3D=3D=3D=3DLoft extractor=3D=3D=3D=3D A popular use for a large extractor fan in hot climates is to mount it in the loft to cool the whole house at night. This is particularly effective because it cools the hot loft down as well as the rest of the house. It also produces less noise in the living areas.

An external grill on the ground floor is needed to allow cold air in.

A grill between main house and loft is also needed for airflow. This requires a little thought at the design stage to avoid a few issues

  • the grill should be flame trapping to prevent rapid spread of fire
  • the grill must be easy to close and insulate for winter.
  • means should be provided to stop dirt and dust falling down.

The first and third points can be addressed by fitting 2 steel boxes (or buckets etc) above the ceiling grill. The smaller inner one has an air port cut in the top, the outer one has several smaller ports half way up its sides. Avoid an exterior fibreglass lining, this will reduce fire survival times. Don't use soldered containers or aluminium rivets.

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=3D=3D=3DStratification & ports=3D=3D=3D Indoor air tends to separate into different temperature layers, with hotter air high up and cooler air near the ground.

Maximum cooling is obtained by bringing in air near ground level and venting it at the top of the house. Where airflow across one or 2 rooms is used, best performance is obtained by air entering low and exiting near the ceiling. Next best is both entering and exiting near the ceiling.

Maximum heating is obtained with air intake and exit both low down on the ground floor. However since these systems have more effect for more of the time in cooling mode, they tend to be optimised for cooling.

A simple way to provide passive intake ports is to use a window positioned very slightly open - or in cases where security permits, fully open (ie sometimes on the 2nd floor and above). Many modern windows can be locked in the very slightly ajar position. Old ones can usually have a window lock fitted to make them secure in this position.

Intake ports on the shaded north facing side of a house give slightly lower temperatures than south facing ports.

=3D=3D=3DThermostats=3D=3D=3D Indoor and outdoor sensors must always be out of the sun, and mounted on surfaces that don't get sun. When there's no other practical option and the system is to be used for cooling only, the sensor can receive early morning sun. This will disable the fan during these times, times when the fan rarely runs.

The target temp (non differential) stat needs 2 way single pole (SPDT) switch contacts. Not all thermostats have this. Cheap bimetal stats are more than accurate enough.

=3D=3D=3DInteraction with central heating=3D=3D=3D The 2 systems can sit side by side, independantly, and yet work perfectly in harmony.

To see how this happens, imagine the worst possible situation. The indoor temp is below the central heating thermostat temp, but outdoors is just a little warmer. In this scenario, both systems would run at first, albeit briefly, if both switched on. The fan warming would only continue as long as bringing in outdoor air was making the room warmer, as soon as indoor temp approaches outdoor the fan would stop. Does this mean that during this time centrally heated air is being expelled? Yes and no... its only expelled when its replaced with even warmer air, in other words the fan still gains heat for the room, it never loses it. The 2 systems can sit side by side, independantly, and yet work perfectly in harmony.

=3D=3DOperation=3D=3D =3D=3DTarget temp thermostat=3D=3D The target temp thermostat is 'not' set to the room's desired target temp. Why? After a night of cooling the room will warm up through the day, reaching a higher temperature. Thus the target temp stat is set to the temp that achieves the room staying within its wanted temp range all day. The stat setting is soon found by trial. For night time summer cooling this may be 19C on on uninsulated house.

The same principle applies when using the system for heating, the room will cool down overnight after an afternoon of heating. So for heating the stat can be set to the upper bounds of comfort, such as 23C.

=3D=3D=3DDifferential stat=3D=3D=3D The adjustment on the differential stat is hysteresis rather than absolute temperature, meaning it will only run the fan when enough temp difference exists.

The lower the hysteresis setting:

  • the more the fan runs at times when it can only provide a little cooling
  • the lower the system energy efficiency
  • the sooner in the day it begins cooling
  • the greater its max posible cooling effect
  • There is little point setting the hysteresis at under 2C, as the cooling effect would be little at such times.

Bigger hysteresis, eg 5 or 6C

  • ensures the fan only runs when it can provide good cooling effect.
  • means the fan doesn't run at all when the available cooling effect is limited
  • the fan starts cooling later in the day
  • the system is more energy efficient but less powerful in its cooling effect.

The situation with hysteresis is different when heating, as fuel derived heat is many times the cost of 30w of electricity, and the available temp gains are often only a few C. For heating the hysteresis is best kept low, eg 1-2C.

=3D=3D=3DNoise=3D=3D=3D Noise is an important consideration when these fans are used in bedrooms, studies and lounges. Slower rotational speed can be used to produces less noise and less airflow, requiring a larger fan to shift enough air. Unfortunately 12" fans are over 10x as expensive as 4" ones - there's no free lunch.

Fans vary widely in noise figures. Always compare specs before buying, and pick a relatively low noise model.

See [[Fan noise reduction]] for methods to minimise noise. In practice I found mounting the fan on rubber washers was fine for a bedroom. The fan is only noticeable in the background in times of (otherwise) complete silence.

=3D=3DExperience=3D=3D =3D=3D=3DThe experiment=3D=3D=3D The first time I tried this was with an industrial 2kw fan. This was purely as an experiment, not as a practical approach. A severely overheated room at about 33C reached under 20C in 2 minutes. The storm- like airspeeds and industrial scale noise were completely impractical, but it did demonstrate the amount of cooling available.

=3D=3D=3D12" room fan=3D=3D=3D This setup was a single room system using a 12" intake fan. In summer it would regularly knock 5 or 6 degrees off the temp in the evening, and sometimes a fair bit more. That's a massive comfort benefit. On one occasion 10 degrees C cooling was achieved in half an hour with a

35w fan. This is when I realised how powerful a practical implementation of this approach was. The fan arrangement meant that the next room was also cooled.

=3D=3D=3D5" room fan=3D=3D=3D This system was another single room fan, a 5" extractor fan. This gave far less airflow, and typically achieved 3 degree C cooling in 3 hours and 8C run all night. Its enough to make the room acceptable in summer, but a bigger fan would do so a lot quicker.

=3D=3DEnergy efficiency=3D=3D This method uses a small fraction of the power of aircon for a given amount of cooling. However it doesn't produce as much cooling. But it would be an unusually badly designed house that couldn't be brought below 24C this way. Even the most severely overheating house I've encountered, at 33C, was tamed.

Its possible to keep a single room cool on just 20w.

=3D=3DCosts=3D=3D

2008 figures:
  • single room 5" fan =A350, this is about the minimum usable
  • 12" fan =A3200
  • thermostat =A36 (bimetal)
  • differential stats:
** Kits and are low cost if you can solder them ** making your own from a circuit diagram costs next to nothing, eg using transistors as the temp sensors and opamps to process the sensor output.

=3D=3DThe free version=3D=3D Its possible to just open all upstairs windows fully, and wedge interior doors open, and get some cooling benefit in the late evening. However doing this overnight is often unworkable for security reasons, and it brings in lots of insects. Where it is workable, net curtains can stop nearly all bugs if fixed to the frame. Loose hung they don't work. The cooling effect is less than a fanned system unless its windy.

=3D=3DThe future=3D=3D The future of such systems is probably central computer control. A computer that reads all the sensors and controls the fans and passive vents can take more factors into account than simple thermostats, and optimise the system to achieve a better return. It can consider the temperature profile over the last month, even look up weather forecasts, and work out the optimum target temperature, hysteresis and fan use pattern to keep the whole house within a comfort zone as much of the time as possible on minimum energy use.

A central computer could also perform extra functions, such as detecting fire by rate of temperature rise, raising the alarm, summoning outside help, controlling airflow in response to fire to maximise air quality in non-alight areas, and learning from any false alarms. It could also detect open windows and alert occupants to the security risk if and when wanted. It could also detect a fan failure and switch power permanently off to any such fan and alert someone.

Fitting the fans behind central heating radiators and computer controlling them could achieve a few more benefits:

  • the radiator provides a baffle, reducing fan noise a little
  • the radiator makes the fans invisible
  • fans can be run at low speed with their shutters closed to increase radiator heat output, thus slightly smaller radiators are needed, and the computer can prioritise which rooms to heat up most quickly and control which need more heat output, giving more even room temperatures.

=3D=3DThe practical picture=3D=3D One of these systems with a much simpler control system than described here eliminated fuel heating use for about 5 weeks per year. Better can be achieved with the full system. Of course this is at the mildest times of year, so the fuel saving is much less than this percentage of total heating energy use. The savings are about enough to both pay off the cost of the system over time and provide summer cooling at no added cost.

One of the barriers to fitting is the amount of work involved running wiring, both for mains power and sensors. Redecoration, replastering, and renovation/refits are minimum cost opportunities to bury cables or conduit that make this system much easier to fit in the future.

=3D=3DSee Also=3D=3D

  • [[Special:Allpages|Wiki Contents]]
  • [[Special:Categories|Wiki Subject Categories]]

[[Category:Cooling]] [[Category:Heating]] [[Category:Appliances]] [[Category:Energy Efficiency]] [[Category:Projects]]

Reply to
meow2222
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What an utter load of twaddle.

Reply to
The Natural Philosopher

Thus spake The Natural Philosopher ( snipped-for-privacy@invalid.invalid) unto the assembled multitudes:

So why did you quote the entire 379 lines of original article before adding just one line of your own? Never learned how to edit?

Reply to
A.Clews

Agreed - and I thought it was an extreemly interesting read & I've learned from it.

I'm afraid I'm not knowledgeable enough to offer any comments other than thank you for writing it.

Reply to
The Medway Handyman

IMO, this belongs on your own website, not in the uk.d-i-y Wiki.

Reply to
Andrew Gabriel

Andrew Gabriel coughed up some electrons that declared:

I'm going to ask a question to NT:

Is this a real working setup that you've tried, or a theory? Reading lower down, it seems that you (NT) have been doing real experiments - but I'm a little unclear on where the real and hypothetical divides are and what the actual tested system consisted of.

Granted I could read it again, but given that lots of people are lazy like me, perhaps a short summary section stating what the real tested system consisted of might help?

The "Set Up" section reads as guidance, not as a description of a single actual test system, which is why I was confused.

If it's a real and proven system, I would have to respectfully disagree with you Andrew - it's an interesting idea and if there are some practical results, IMHO it's as valid as a DIY heatbank article :)

Overall, I think it would be good if perhap you (NT) described your actual system first (after a brief introduction), then a section on the results (OK, no one expects lab grade quantifiable results, but a guide would be good) then have all the theoretical variations so that it's easy for folk to see what works and what's unproven, but worth a shot experimenting with.

I notice that my house (the bungalow) is still comparatively cold (on the ground floor anyway) even after a month of warm weather, so I've certainly got a building that may be suitable to try something like this.

Just my most respectful 2p's worth :)

Cheers

Tim

Reply to
Tim S

wrote the following shit:

Intake fans can be a security issue. The practice of administering airborne anaesthetics for burglary is sadly a known type of crime,

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Bwaaaahhaaaaahahahahahahahaaaaa!!!

known type of crime, let me guess, a friend of a freind of a friend heard about someone who had read on the internet about someone being gassed and robbed.

i have a motorhome, and everyone has a story about someone who was gassed and robbed, usually on a french motorway aire, but getting more common to have the story set on a quiet little campsite.... there's companies that prey on these insecurities by selling 'gas attack alarms' usually for about

100 quid, they do no more than the £12.99 gas leak alarm lidl sell every year, but a few pictures of ransacked vans, and a few storeis of people hearing about someone being gassed, and they manage to sell the things.

it's always the english who are 'targetted'

and the people doing the gassing must be bloody good anesnatists to be able to put 2 or more people of differnet builds to sleep just enough to allow them to rob them but not kill them, and being able to take along the required tanker of gas to do it... motorhomes by law have a lot of ventilation (gas in use inside, carbon monoxide from the cooker, people breathing etc, so there's multiple floor level vents for gas drop out, and all roof vents have fixed ventilation by law, and nowadays the windows all have trickle vents)

what really happens is people get so pissed they forget to lock the van up and set the alarm, fall into a drunken sleep, and the next day when they wake up 'feeling groggy' that's the cheap french plonk people..... they realise they've been robbed, but the insurance excludes claims where the doors are left unlocked,

hence the gassing stories.

Now i'd love to see someone administer anastetic gas to a whole house, knock out the adults, not kill the pets and children, and wouldent a couple of shady charectedr hanging around the neigbourhood wearing gas masks get the curtian twitchers dialing 999?

anyway, thanks for the laugh, i'll be thinking of this all day and chuckeling to my self.

Reply to
gazz

Because both "meow" and "Natural Philosopher" are drooling fuckwads.

Reply to
Steve Firth

Steve Firth coughed up some electrons that declared:

In NT's defence, how much have you contributed to the Wiki Steve?

Reply to
Tim S

What has that to do with the fact that NT is a knuckle-dragger? He may well have "contributed" but if his postings here are anything to go by that "contribution" will be worthless.

TBH I see the "Wiki" as pointless.

Reply to
Steve Firth

Steve Firth coughed up some electrons that declared:

Everything - it means that he's prepared to put some effort in, which counts for something in my book.

Plenty of good stuff in there. Might be some dross too, but even that can be a lead to finding out more.

And it's open to edits by anyone - you apparently have plenty of knowledge on some unusual and specialist subjects, you could certainly make some very useful contributions if you choose. But I'm not into people chucking gratuitous insults at others who haven't demonstrated that they deserve it.

Cheers

Tim

Reply to
Tim S

You sure about that -- the "burglary using anaesthetics" bit?

Thomas Prufer

Reply to
Thomas Prufer

TNP has adequately demonstrated that he's a f****it.

YMMV.

Reply to
Steve Firth

Can you offer a better alternative?

And there is no need for the abuse against NT and TNP.

Chill out and relax.

Adam

Reply to
ARWadsworth

"Better" in what sense? Wikis all fail from the same problem, and idiot can edit them and that's exactly who does edit them.

I don't see the point, full stop. There's an archive of postings to this group, it's searchable. The Wiki is simply ego puff for a few people.

In your not so humble opinion.

Who the f*ck is "NT"?

If you mean the cockwit posting as "meow" then he deserves everything he gets. Not only are his attempts to sound authoritative laughable - his piece about detergents was a farce from begining to end - but he's someone who boasts about having been one of a band of the nastiest little trolls and newsgroup wreckers around. He deserves the respect he gave his victims - none.

TNP is an arse, always has been.

And you're sore hence your decision to try and have a pop at me.

Reply to
Steve Firth

Well feel knowledgeable enough to say its more or less bollox from start ti finish, but I cant be arsed to pick over every detail.

Reply to
The Natural Philosopher

Each to their own. You are welcome to edit the wiki if you wish to do so. If you do not want to then leave it alone.

I will not fall for that:-)

The OP (meow)

You may well have different views of him than me.

Not in my opinion

At what point did I try to have a pop at you? Why should I be sore?

Cheer up. Is is sunny outside. Stick a BBQ on and get some beers in.

uk.d-i-y is for sharing knowledge and sometimes for fun but it is not for abuse.

Adam

Reply to
ARWadsworth

Who died and made you the moderator?

Reply to
Steve Firth

Who died and made you abusive?

Adam

Reply to
ARWadsworth

No one needs to die, the right to free speech still exists.

Reply to
Steve Firth

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