We're saved

[harry]

You were saying a couple of days back there was no debt problem. You're full of shit.

[harry]

Reading is not the same as understanding. Especially when you read tripe.

[harry]

I don't think electrifying the motorway is going to happen soon. The latter is more likely but just by means of the rising price of fuel. Already happening. All the corner shops will have to reopen.

[polygonum]

Is that the latest version of entrails?

Oh! Understanding is not on the Thames.

[harry]

Not actually that clever.

disastrous in fact.

[John Williamson]

It is, and it has been for at least the last thirty.

[Steve Firth]

Hence just the same as Drivel's current fantasy. He's the snake oil salesman's delight. The sort of idiot who voted for the Springfield monorail.

[Martin Brown]

They will say anything to get investors funds.

I found it interesting that the only professional institution that was prepared to go on record as saying this "new" technology would be a game changer was I Mech Eng. The guys who bend metal and make pipework. I guess they get paid irrespective of whether the new plant works.

I rather hope that the RSC point out inefficient it is to do this process and the insanely low efficiency that it would have as described.

The figure we need to see is how many kWh of electricity to make 1L of fuel. Until they provide this number for their present process and a figure for the theoretical limit for the process scaled up this thing is in essence a marketing scam - perhaps by well meaning amateurs.

"Petrol from the air" is a very clever marketing slogan that has caught the imagination of the scientifically illiterate press and politicians.

But water comes out of the tap much more cheaply than you can take it from the air. And if they electrolyse water to make hydrogen they will also have a waste stream of oxygen that needs an application.

Stripping CO2 from air is a non-starter. Stripping it from powerstation flue gasses might be a more viable strategy. I thought there were a couple of groups close to having a handle on this. They must be hopping mad to see this garbage gain so much unwarranted attention.

[Martin Brown]

On 20/10/2012 23:54, Steve Firth wrote: > "Doctor Drivel" wrote: > [snip] >

Be fair! 50 years away and has been for the past 60 years!

There is one fusion research reactor now that sort of breaks even for a moment if you put enough power in to start it. I don't think it is attached to any turbine though so the heat generated has to be dumped!

[Doctor Drivel]

Senile Daily Mail reading one, The western financial system is based on DEBT. The money supply, and private bank issue money, is based on the amount of DEBT. HMG borrowing is not the same thing senile one. Have a look:

banks in UK create money. They create money out of thin air.

?v=HRuw3hQgvzMWe are slaves to landowners and banks.

[Doctor Drivel]

Harry you are 100% right! Now drop that Daily Mail.

[Doctor Drivel]

Harry it is going ahead.

[Doctor Drivel]

This man is an idiot.

[news12paul]

Oh noes! Better not let the plants find out! :-)

#Paul

[js.b1]

Nope, all supermarkets already deliver. That is beginning to make a meaningful impact on miles travelled. If children walk to school (where possible) that is another "win".

As for storing electricity, oh please, you use a molten sodium store which = is well proven as the energy transfer from nuclear to turbines. Solar could= be used to heat it even in the UK in Wales - would be more economic than c= lueless turbines & air into petrol technology.

We are going to see a vast amount of money wasted on "because we get a Gran= t" system and THAT is because we are copying all the mistakes of communist = russia. Making stuff for which there is only a synthesised market due to mi= ss-allocation of capital. If the West wants to bankrupt itself, way to go.

If we want simple sustainability, reforest Scotland & Wales and start burni= ng the stuff in simple wood burners that just divert through an outside wal= l. Minimal cost of installation, good backup heating.

Of course the problem then is what do we do with the Harold Wilson Wet Cent= ral Heating brigade, his master plan for brown overall job creation... and = a million other clipboard idiots.

[The Natural Philosopher]

Well harry, yes, we know that, and we do make considerable allowances for you.

[The Natural Philosopher]

Got to hand it to you there. 30% efficiency thus TREBLING or QUADRUPLING the massively high cost of renewables ALREADY.

And enough to support only 30,000 Scotsmen. Sounds like a plan!

Turn the rest onto haggis

[Martin Brown]

Even for them it is the rate limiting step in most cases.

That is why some commercial greenhouses boost interior CO2 concentrations. Stripping from flue gasses is better.

The really expensive bit is splitting water into hydrogen and oxygen. Plants mastered that a very long time ago - we are still unable to. Doing it by electrolysis is possible but hardly cost effective.

[Dave Liquorice]

Not all here. Only Sainsburys and Asda.

Best part of 3 miles along derestricted roads with no pavements apart from the last 3/4 mile or so.

Already are.

I thought we alrady had, but no one dares to admit it.

[Dave Liquorice]

We are working on it though, there is a crowd sourced project out there somewhere trying to develop an "artifical leaf". There are some prototypes that do work but not very well, yet.