Water softners: Electronic vs. Salt...

[John Rumm]

The difference between unmodulated FM and AM being?

(or do you need to connect an audio source as well?)

[Doctor Evil]

Oh a quiz.

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[s--p--o--n--i--x]

Of course it works! I have no rats in my house so of course it works! LOL!

sponix

[Doctor Evil]

Wow! Solar powered elephant repelling cabers.

How about suitcases?

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[Doctor Evil]

That's logical. Will this force field heat your water too?

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[dennis]

Placebos work too.

No but I think I have found someone who is.

[Doctor Evil]

They don't.

You are hard of thinking. That is clear.

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[Steve Firth]

Bzzt, is the wrong answer.

[s--p--o--n--i--x]

One point worth making is that the Drinking Water Inspectorate recommend that you shouldn't drink artificially softened water and certainly shouldn't give it to children.

For this reason it's important that you have a non-softened tap connectected before the softener, to supply drinking water.

sponix

[Ian Stirling]

Though electronic scale inhibitors are probably safe in this regard...

[s--p--o--n--i--x]

Or those stick on magnet things they were selling a few years back. Guaranteed not to make the water harmful! LOL!

sponix

[Parish]

On 10/06/2005 09:27 s--p--o--n--i--x gurgled:

Does this apply even if the water is boiled?

Parish

[Peter Parry]

Yes, the softener works by substituting sodium for calcium ions. In fact the amount of sodium ion increase in hard water areas is quite low - about the same as you would get from eating a couple of slices of bread a day. The water is not harmful, but for those on a restricted sodium diet (normally people with high blood pressure - not children) it can give them extra sodium without them being aware. Hence the need for a tap to be left unsoftened (usually the kitchen sink tap). Other than the slight increase in sodium content the water is the same as it was beforehand. Most softeners include some form of precious metal bacteriocidal system anyway.

[The Natural Philosopher]

And in fact the sodium in a gallon of softened water is less than in a packet of crisps...which are regularly fed to chilldrunnah.

[The Natural Philosopher]

Yes, but its bollocks.

Hardness is calcium carbonate. Clogs arteries and chalk up yer Capillaries, and if you want calcium for your bones drink milk or take a pill..

It gets converted to sodium carbonate, one of the things that makes mineral water taste 'nice; and is sold as a 'healthy' alternative to mains water.

However some d*****ad somewhere reads something about 'low sodium being good for hearts' and thinks that means sodium carbonate in small quantities. Hence all this crap.

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[Andy Hall]

Placebos are commonly used in clinical trials, and in some instances people on the placebo experience an improvement in the symptoms that the real drug was intended to treat.

THe effect was because the patient believed that it was the real thing and worked or because they didn't want to believe that it wasn't working.

So an electronic water conditioner "works" because some people want to believe it does and don't want to embarrass themselves when they realise that they've been had.

Clinical trials are also peer-reviewed for scientific soundness. Your peers here seem to be giving you the thumbs down on the efficacy of these conditioners, so the suggestion is that Dr Evil is something of a quack.

[Doctor Evil]

That is mental not physical. Electronic water descalers are physical. It can be seen not felt.

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[Andy Hall]

This is the point. A mental belief that something apparently physical works means that in the perception of the person holding the belief it is all fact, even when there is no evidence to support the belief.

[Doctor Evil]

It isn't. Again: "That is mental not physical. Electronic water descalers are physical. It can be seen not felt."

[Andy Hall]

The strength of your faith is commendable.