I have just moved house and a considerable portion of the work was done with a (cleaned) wheelybin. I would have been knackered doing 5 trips with a heavy box, but one trip with a wheelybin was a lot easier.
I know some people thought I was mad, but I was only moving a few hundred yards and it was easier to do it bit by bit over a couple of weeks than get everything organised for a big flitting with a van, although a neighbour with a van helped for the big stuff.
Owain
Accepted as meant. :-)
Actually, the title of this thread (on a lighter note from the deadly serious, humourless Hansen and Fisher) reminds me of that piece in the Hitch Hiker's Guide to the Galaxy on the planet where it was vital to get a receipt when you went to the toilet...! :-)
Leadership doesn't have to imply collectivism.
One can show by example, and other individuals can make up their own minds. A far better form of leadership than if they follow, collectively as a herd of sheep.
Either way it's a waste of time.
Do you also give lectures to people about doing jobs that others are paid to do?
The value does not o to the person making the disposal. Unless the material is of relatively high value such as certain metals, then there is no point.
No, I wish the council to do the job that they are paid to do, and that is to dispose of the rubbish. I don't expect to do half of their work.
You must be joking. As soon as there is any suggestionof reduction in frequency of collection, there is uproar.
On Sat, 15 Mar 2008 09:34:44 +0000 (UTC) someone who may be Adrian wrote this:-
As I said some messages ago, "So, the complaint is actually about the type of container."
On 15 Mar 2008 11:49:18 GMT someone who may be "Bob Eager" wrote this:-
Excellent, rudeness and personal attacks. Do keep it up.
On Sat, 15 Mar 2008 19:52:08 +0000 someone who may be Andy Hall wrote this:-
There was no uproar here when the frequency of residual waste collections was reduced.
Someone did try and make out in the local newspaper that this reduction had led to maggots. However, the next week someone pointed out that at the time the picture had been taken the street concerned still had weekly residual waste collections.
Not at all. Merely what I consider an accurate observation.
Why doesn't that surprise me.
And a still better form of leadership is if they follow because they decide to follow your example - rather difficult if you are not engaged in the activity. 'Walking the walk rather than talking the talk'.
If you are showing (or leading) by example, your example must be in the sphere of activity that those you claim leadership of are engaged in. Unless you are working against their interests, or the common interest, leadership by example is, and must be, collective.
Perhaps you meant leadership by exhortation.
In the current context, if you are claiming to lead by example by encouraging others to sign a petition that you know to be futile, there are several possibilities.
Firstly, you have signed, and are indeed leading by example. However you claimm the act of signing is futile and are hence a nihilist.
Alternatively, you have not signed yourself and are leading by exhortation, not example as you claim, and you are at best a sophist.
Since you are decrying collectivism on a medium that depends on collectivism, and are claiming some level on leadership on a mediuim that admits none, perhaps we should add absurdist to the list.
Perhaps you are a Performance Artist. Or Management Consultant.
Oh dear.
I also find it ironic that I am contributing to this collective discussion using a set of tools, including an OS, that is a (AFAIK) literal text-book example of collectivism, and it seems to be working fine here. Which rather shoots your 'collectivism never works' fox.
Phil Young
Sorting household rubbish is only practical at source. As yet no sub-species has evolved that is prepared to do it once it's jumbled up
It could be done as community service for petty criminals.
Owain
Leadership by example is by no means collective. Having a common interest n a specific area is not collectivism. Having one in most or all areas is.
Nihilism is something quite different.
Actually the point was not one of signing a petition, but rather of taking all possible steps available. The scope of that will vary from person to person.
Hardly. Those posters of Tiger Woods in the airport make me want to vomit.
Ever heard of individual contribution?
Actually untrue.
A matter of money?
Have you ever had to go through your own rubbish to retrieve anything you chucked by mistake?
At any level it's nonsensical for someone to spend time sifting through your jumbled up rubbish when you could have easily not jumbled it up in the first place. I wipe my own arse because getting someone in to do it is just plain silly.
You think Andy has ever made a mistake ?
I'm shocked, shocked I say.
Phil Young
Yes, finger trouble on my part. That should read 'leadership by example is collectivism' in that to set the example you must be part of (by virtue of leading) a group engaged with the same objectives.
Having a common interest with others in an area in which you are all working (a specific project possibly, whether as leader or not) is indeed an example of collectivism. The outcome is dependant on the collective efforts of those involved working in collaboration. Small 'c' not capital 'C' and the political/economic theory as a whole.
I meant it in sense of embracing futility as its own end. Again, not the entire political/philospohical school of thought.
Certainly I have. However, little in life is the fruit of a single individuals efforts - saving (some) Art , (some) theoretical sciences. What we really need is a word to describe the collected efforts of a collection of people working collectively. I wonder what that word might be ?
Phil Young
Possibly the initial feasibility study was flawed and remedial action was deemed necessary
But the opportunity cost ! Even through a Credit Vehicle !
Will no-one think of the children ?
Anyway, Windows isn't an OS ! But Intelligent Design could be a Science !
Phil Young
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