Washing machines and septic tanks.

Dear all,

I am involved with a charity which does horse riding for disabled adults and children. They have around 15 horses and ponies which generates a fair amount of dirty rugs, saddle cloths etc. Currently these are washed in a domestic washing machine which outputs to a septic tank. The septic tanks also serves a rarely used toilet, shower and sink which are all located in a small prefab building. This septic tank has never worked well, and always smells when the washing machine pumps the waste water to it or if you flush the toilet. This is despite annual desludging.

Elsewhere on the site is a new building which is served by a biodisc sewage treatment plant. This works extremely well and has done for years as it has been in place to deal with the waste water from the stable block. We are thinking of moving the washing machine so that to a feed room in the stable block so that its waste water goes to the biodisc which we hope will be able to deal with it better.

The washing machine is used irregularly, some days not at all and then four or five loads in a day if horses have been out at competitions etc. I realise that this is a bad idea for the septic tank but it is rather difficult to ensure that loads are spread out as much of the washing is done by volunteers who are only there at certain times.

I am not sure what sort of detergent is safest for the septic tank, I have read that biologial detergents upset the biomass and also that the filler in powder sludges up the tank, is non bio liquid the best option?

Is this likely to upset the biodisc in the same way it has upset the other septic tank or will it cope better as it has the benefit of greater dilution?

Is any type of filter on the washing machine waste necessary as there is often a lot of horse hair on the items being washed which could clog up the ouflow from the biodisc? The washing machine has its own filter which is cleaned every few loads.

Any comments appreciated.

James

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James Frayne
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AFAIK most domestic users don't take any particular precautions with washing machines - I certainly didn't with my old house using a processing tank.

The only particular precaution is avoiding a lot of bleach - but that's more a toilet issue.

It may be possible to have an aeration pump fitted to the old septic tank. This is what I had to do with mine, as the drainage field was clogged -I found a company specialising in these retrofits, though can't remember their name.

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dom

I have shoved all manner of stuff including caustic down my drains to the biodisc: it has never smelt - except when the pulley fell of the motor shaft! A lot of water goes down it as well mind you.

My conclusion is, these are rugged tolerant beasties.

If i ever get a property with a three chamber tank again, I will immediately replace it with a biodisc.

Reply to
The Natural Philosopher

What's a biodisc? Some kind of stirring and oxygenation mechanism?

Reply to
Andy Hall

Er..yes. Exactly that. Gosh Andy, we've had lots of threads on them.

It may actually be a trademark of Klargester..anyway a google of 'Klargester' should net you more info than you ever wanted.

If you have a 3 chamber type that isn't doing too well, they cost between £5k and £10k to install, depending on who does it, and how big you need.

Can't recommend them enough. You also save on water rates.

Reply to
The Natural Philosopher

Ah right. Do you think that this might also make them more tolerant to chemical additions?

Because less water used or do you mean the output is less toxic or ??

Reply to
Andy Hall

output just doesn't smell!

I can't getr too worked up about dumping organic laden water into the groundwater, as the counytryside here is covered in bird crap, dog crap, cat crap. miuse crap, rabbit crap, bee crap, fox crap, deer crap..you name it, we have it, and two humans crap isn't going to make a deal of difference IMHO.

But I have abused mine remorselessly and it still works. Plaater and cement dust..caustic...hydrochloric etc.

It uses what water you put down it and allegedly produces potable water at the far end.

Reply to
The Natural Philosopher

So do you get reduced charges as a result of better purity of effluent?

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Andy Hall

You get reduced charges for not using the council supplied sewage services at ALL.

Reply to
The Natural Philosopher

It seems we may be missing a trick here with our septic tank system - care to elaborate on the reduced charges for not using council services bit? ta Jim

Reply to
jim

So where do the effluent solids go?

Reply to
Andy Hall

every 3-4 years you pay a 100 quid for a tanker to suck teh bitch dry..;-0

Or put it on your garden I suppose. Good compost..

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The Natural Philosopher

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whoever you pay the water rates to, and inform them you are not connected to their sewage system.

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The Natural Philosopher

I didn't think that that was legal, or is the effluent from a septic tank where it's not allowed?

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Andy Hall

ah.. ok not the local council then.. ta for clarifying jim

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jim

I don't suppose it is legal, at that.

Since it takes a policeman about 2 days to get here, I cant see that being much of an issue though.

Reply to
The Natural Philosopher

I thought you had roads in Suffolk now :-)

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Andy Hall

I've scanned through this thread and no one seems to have mentioned biological washing powder/liquid. It is important not to use biological as that kills the beneficial bacteria that break down the effluent. incidentally a good septic tank rarely needs emptying if it is installed correctly, the solids break down under biological action. During the war my parents tank was not emptied, in fact it was well into the 50s from

1936 before it was. when you get it emptied you should get a certificate from the company stating that it was correctly disposed of. The local farmer will do ours for a mere £20 cheaper, then dumps it on his fields, not a good idea.
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Broadback

but is there a decent logical reason why not though? surely after 20 odd years the waste will indeed have broken down by microbial action etc and simply require re-inserting into nature's perpetual cycle? as the saying round here goes:- sh1te is sh1te after all....

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jim

but is there a decent logical reason why not though? surely after 20 odd years the waste will indeed have broken down by microbial action etc and simply require re-inserting into nature's perpetual cycle? as the saying round here goes:- sh1te is sh1te after all....

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jim

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