VM Tivo 6 box to older TV

[Oliver]

Virgin Media support is driving me crazy. I want to connect their new Tivo 6 box to an older tv (Sony KE-P37XSI) which does not have an HDMI connector. Any good suggestions?

[John Rumm]

A HDMI to component video conversion box would probably be your only option... Worth a tenner from ebay etc to give it a try and find out?

[Muddymike]

using a Neotec SCART to HDMI converter and it works well.

I know Neotec make converters the other way round.

Mike

[Tim+]

Presumably you?d lose the HD aspect of the signal though? Personally I?d get with the times and invest in a new TV. ;-)

Tim

[John Rumm]

Component[1] inputs will often support progressive scan and higher resolutions, so you might be ok. The TV itself can do 1080i I belive from looking at the spec briefly.

[1] Not to be confused with Composite inputs (aka CVBS)

[Dave Plowman (News)]

SCART doesn't support HD, which may or may not matter.

[Tim+]

But I thought that the whole point of HDMI was end to end encryption of the HD signal (to stop piracy). Any signal that can be extracted is going to be non-HD.

Of course technology moves on and maybe there are devices that can get around this.

Tim

[Jethro_uk]

I thought that never got implemented ? Like the clipper chip ?

If it had been implemented, of course. IIRC one of the reasons of non- implementation of the clipper chip (apart from the stupidity of the idea) was that workarounds were available before the chip was.

[Andy Burns]

Ditto, the sheds seem to be stuffed full of 65" 3840x2160 OLED TVs ready for football fans to empty their wallets, bound to be some of last years

1920x1080 LCD sets they want to get shot of hiding at the back ...

[Steve Walker]

Generally the signal remains encrypted end to end or only a degraded version is available. However, I am pretty sure that there are some devices available that remove the encryption without degrading the quality - intended to allow gamers to record HD gameplay.

SteveW

[Oliver]

Thanks to all for various comments and suggestions. I've ordered one of these:

[John Rumm]

That's HDCP rather than HDMI as such. However there are a number of ways round that - many HDMI splitters and conversion boxes don't fully play by the rules. There are also HDMI capture cards some may also defeat HDCP.

(not all content over HDMI will use HDCP)

[John Rumm]

That definitely will drop the output to SD, but is pretty likely to work with any old kit.

[dennis]

Copy protection is implemented on HDMI (HDCP). The virgin box just won't output anything if the other end doesn't negotiate the correct signal.

You can copy HDMI from things like a playstation, however its unclear that they are protected in the first place. Why would they copy protect you playing a game? So these devices may or may not copy a film or TV coming from a virgin box.