I was looking at a thread in UK.legal about using veggie oil in
diesels and paying tax on the stuff and wondered if the posters on
here had any comments on it.
I don't remember any announcement on the news about a new law and the
seems to be
about production quotas rather than the use of cooking oil by private
- light goods vehicle users.
I believe that tax is no longer payable when produced for personnal
use,there is a limit but not sure what that may be.There was a news item in
the southwest just the other week about buying the kit for £700.00
Weatherlawyer ( email@example.com) gurgled happily, sounding much
like they were saying :
I posted in that thread, IIRC.
Simple. You buy it ready "produced"? You pay duty on it. You cook it
yourself for your own use? Up to 2,500 litres dutyfree.
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Not a lot of help. Seems they don't want to let us all in on the
The BBC article looks like its kosher. I was in an Asian grocers today
and the cheapest oil they sell is the same price as diesel.
Looks like some lerts are hal Al.
summary, small producers of biofuels for rorad use, producing less
than 2500 litres/year, only need to keep production records, they do
not need to register with HMRC.
For the individual running their diesel vehicle on new vegetable oil,
the act of pouring it into you tank is considered "production".
I wanted to verify this, so called the HMRC help line and had the
above position confirmed to me.
In summary, small producers of biofuels for rorad use, producing less
Pity that the vegetable oil retailers have realised the price of their
product can be indexed top the price of diesel.
Who do I sue if it goes pear shaped for me?
Tesco and Asda prices have both gone up in the last week or so. Asda
now £1.98, Tesco about the same iirc. The Range Rover (300tdi) was very
slow to start yesterday and today with about 40% veggie oil - it's
always been almost instant on derv, without using heater plugs, and it's
smoking much worse than usual.
Then I read the first post in this thread:
seemed to me to be written by someone who knows his diesel
engines. I think I'll stick to straight derv, with perhaps a couple of
bottles of oil when I know I'm giving it a long hard run.
Nor how to put his foot on the clutch apparently, or slip it into neutral in
the extremely unlikely event of an engine running away.
"Danger to life, YOU CAN'T SHUT IT DOWN" (his capitals, not mine)
He's probably related to that geezer driving a Scania artic a few years ago
who claimed it was running away with him and he couldn't stop it. Pillock.
You were chucking vegetable oil straight into the tank of a direct
injection engine and starting on it???
Did it have a Bosch injection pump?
Regardless of ring gumming problems, if the engine has a Lucas pump -
received wisdom is that the life of the pump will be severely
shortened, especially if cold started on veg.
A diesel that has decided to burn it's lubricating oil is not easy to shut
down. Any of the normal fuel control systems are out of the loop. You
either have to starve it of air or try and stall it.
With the first, do you want to be near an engine designed to run at 4,000
rpm max when it's climbing towards 10,000... Whilst trying to stuff
something fairly solid and sealing well into the air intake, if you have
something suitable and if you can access the intake.
The second you stand a chance but if the brakes, gearbox or more likely
the clutch give up...
No you don't. An engine that is running on its own oil is toast anyway, so
you just put it in neutral or declutch and let it destroy itself. No danger
You'd have to be fairly stupid to attempt that. Just walk away. Problem
Why would the clutch give up? It's not driving anything if you've got your
foot on it, or if it's in neutral. And why would the brakes give up bringing
a vehicle in neutral to a halt? Or the gearbox?
You do know about the failure mode of diesels when they're running on the
oil in the engine, don't you? You need to stop the engine, which means
stalling the thing. Clutch in or neutral = engine dies terminally.
That depends on how it fails or are you saying that an engine running on
it's own oil will *never* have a failure mode involving bits of high
Look at what I wrote "try and stall it", to avoid the high velocity metal
In article , firstname.lastname@example.org
Not necessarily true. A friend of mine over-filled his Montego (Perkins DI
TD unit), and that ran on its lubricating oil, sucked down the valve stems.
He just pulled onto the hard shoulder, and jammed the brakes on, and it
"Repair" was to crack open the injectors, turn it over until the oil was
squirted out, and then re-tighten the injectors. He forgot this last bit to
Nice straw-clutching. No I'm not saying it will never, nor am I saying an
asteroid will *never* land in my garden.
No you didn't. You wrote - "You
either have to starve it of air or try and stall it. "