Vegetable oil fuel.

I was looking at a thread in UK.legal about using veggie oil in
diesels and paying tax on the stuff and wondered if the posters on
here had any comments on it.
I don't remember any announcement on the news about a new law and the
government site:
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seems to be
about production quotas rather than the use of cooking oil by private
- light goods vehicle users.
Reply to
Weatherlawyer
I believe that tax is no longer payable when produced for personnal use,there is a limit but not sure what that may be.There was a news item in the southwest just the other week about buying the kit for £700.00
Reply to
ALex
Weatherlawyer ( snipped-for-privacy@hotmail.com) gurgled happily, sounding much like they were saying :
I posted in that thread, IIRC.
Simple. You buy it ready "produced"? You pay duty on it. You cook it yourself for your own use? Up to 2,500 litres dutyfree.
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Adrian
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Not a lot of help. Seems they don't want to let us all in on the secret.
The BBC article looks like its kosher. I was in an Asian grocers today and the cheapest oil they sell is the same price as diesel.
Looks like some lerts are hal Al.
Reply to
Weatherlawyer
Detailed information on this discussion group:
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summary, small producers of biofuels for rorad use, producing less than 2500 litres/year, only need to keep production records, they do not need to register with HMRC.
For the individual running their diesel vehicle on new vegetable oil, the act of pouring it into you tank is considered "production".
I wanted to verify this, so called the HMRC help line and had the above position confirmed to me.
Reply to
dom
group:
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In summary, small producers of biofuels for rorad use, producing less
Pity that the vegetable oil retailers have realised the price of their product can be indexed top the price of diesel.
Who do I sue if it goes pear shaped for me?
Reply to
Weatherlawyer
Asda were selling veg oil at 1.69 for 3 litres a week or so back when I looked. Tesco were charging about the same. That's quite a saving over the cost of diesel.
Reply to
Willy Eckerslyke
Tesco and Asda prices have both gone up in the last week or so. Asda now £1.98, Tesco about the same iirc. The Range Rover (300tdi) was very slow to start yesterday and today with about 40% veggie oil - it's always been almost instant on derv, without using heater plugs, and it's smoking much worse than usual.
Then I read the first post in this thread:
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seemed to me to be written by someone who knows his diesel engines. I think I'll stick to straight derv, with perhaps a couple of bottles of oil when I know I'm giving it a long hard run.
Reply to
Autolycus
But Nothing about How to Capitalise English.
What with that and the "dark blue on light blue" text, I'm not sure I can be arsed to wade through it.
Reply to
Huge
Hmm, I'm currently looking after a 2.5 NA Landie that's behaving similarly.
Same here, for the winter at least. Perhaps prices will have dropped again by next summer.
Reply to
Willy Eckerslyke
It's a huge increase in the price of vegetable oil, which used to be around 21-23p a litre for rapeseed/sunflower/groundnut oils.
Reply to
Steve Firth
Nor how to put his foot on the clutch apparently, or slip it into neutral in the extremely unlikely event of an engine running away.
"Danger to life, YOU CAN'T SHUT IT DOWN" (his capitals, not mine)
He's probably related to that geezer driving a Scania artic a few years ago who claimed it was running away with him and he couldn't stop it. Pillock.
Steve
Reply to
shazzbat
You were chucking vegetable oil straight into the tank of a direct injection engine and starting on it???
Did it have a Bosch injection pump?
Regardless of ring gumming problems, if the engine has a Lucas pump - received wisdom is that the life of the pump will be severely shortened, especially if cold started on veg.
Reply to
dom
A diesel that has decided to burn it's lubricating oil is not easy to shut down. Any of the normal fuel control systems are out of the loop. You either have to starve it of air or try and stall it.
With the first, do you want to be near an engine designed to run at 4,000 rpm max when it's climbing towards 10,000... Whilst trying to stuff something fairly solid and sealing well into the air intake, if you have something suitable and if you can access the intake.
The second you stand a chance but if the brakes, gearbox or more likely the clutch give up...
Reply to
Dave Liquorice
No you don't. An engine that is running on its own oil is toast anyway, so you just put it in neutral or declutch and let it destroy itself. No danger to life.
You'd have to be fairly stupid to attempt that. Just walk away. Problem solved.
Why would the clutch give up? It's not driving anything if you've got your foot on it, or if it's in neutral. And why would the brakes give up bringing a vehicle in neutral to a halt? Or the gearbox?
Steve
Reply to
shazzbat
You do know about the failure mode of diesels when they're running on the oil in the engine, don't you? You need to stop the engine, which means stalling the thing. Clutch in or neutral = engine dies terminally.
cheers, clive
Reply to
Clive George
That depends on how it fails or are you saying that an engine running on it's own oil will *never* have a failure mode involving bits of high velocity metal?
Look at what I wrote "try and stall it", to avoid the high velocity metal scenario.
Reply to
Dave Liquorice
In article , snipped-for-privacy@spamlessness.fsnet.co.uk says...
Not necessarily true. A friend of mine over-filled his Montego (Perkins DI TD unit), and that ran on its lubricating oil, sucked down the valve stems.
He just pulled onto the hard shoulder, and jammed the brakes on, and it stalled.
"Repair" was to crack open the injectors, turn it over until the oil was squirted out, and then re-tighten the injectors. He forgot this last bit to start off!
Pete.
Reply to
Pete Smith
Nice straw-clutching. No I'm not saying it will never, nor am I saying an asteroid will *never* land in my garden.
No you didn't. You wrote - "You either have to starve it of air or try and stall it. "
You don't.
Steve
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shazzbat

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