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David Attenborough Calls Humans a ?Plague on the Earth.? Isn?t He Sort of Right? by Will Oremus, Jan 23, 2013



Every now & then, Britain?s best-loved naturalist takes a break from spying on the bedroom behavior of birds of paradise to sound off about humans? impact on the environment. When he does, it almost always makes headlines ?not only because he?s Sir David Attenborough, but because he calls it as he sees it.



In October, he took Mitt Romney, Barack Obama, & America at large to task for their failure to face up to climate change. That sentiment may have ruffled a few feathers stateside but is relatively uncontroversial in his home country. This time, in an interview with the UK TV-listings magazine Radio Times, he stepped in it a little deeper.



?We are a plague on the Earth,? Attenborough said of humanity as a whole, in a quote promptly picked up by London?s Times & Telegraph & plastered on the Drudge Report. ?It?s coming home to roost over the next 50 years or so.? The full interview is available only in print, but the Independent cribbed from it liberally enough to give you the gist. ?It?s not just climate change,? Attenborough went on. ?It?s sheer space, places to grow food for this enormous horde. Either we limit our population growth or the natural world will do it for us, & the natural world is doing it for us right now.?



Now, insulting the entire human race isn?t generally the best way to win friends & influence people. And Atten- borough?s remarks drew a predictable gnashing of teeth from online commenters & cranks like the National Review?s Wesley J. Smith, a senior fellow at something called the Center on Human Exceptionalism. Smith accused Attenborough of ?demonstrating my thesis that environmentalism is growing progressively anti-human.?



But Smith is exactly wrong. If anything, environmentalism has grown progressively pro-human since the 60s & 70s, when books like Paul Ehrlich?s The Population Bomb spooked a generation of activists into advocating various desperate population-control measures. Such sentiments are so rare in the environmental movement these days that it made national news in 2011 when one lonely group dared broach even the mild suggestion that voluntary birth control could be good for the planet. Other environmental groups the Times contacted for the article ?generally declined to discuss the issue or did not return calls,? upholding a longstanding taboo on the topic.



These days the most effective environmental arguments seem to be those that tie climate change to deadly extreme- weather events like Hurricane Sandy. Complex & slippery as those associations may be, they work because they tap into people?s strongest instinct: self-preservation. Modern environmentalists have fully internalized the lesson that you don?t get very far by telling people that their very existence is the problem.



So why would Attenborough say such a thing? Because, at 86, he?s an unreconstructed member of the old guard. Because he?s a knight & a national treasure & there?s no one to tell him he can?t. But more importantly, because his life?s work has given him a fundamentally different lens on humanity. As a naturalist & nature-show host, his liveli- hood is intertwined not with the stock market or the gross domestic product, but with the fortunes of the world?s non-human species, from insects to penguins to lemurs. And when you look at it purely from their vantage point, there is no denying that humans have made quite a mess of the land, not to mention the sea.



Calling humanity ?a plague on the Earth? isn?t politically correct, & life would be grim indeed if everyone shared Attenborough?s assessment. Even if they did, it?s not at all clear that population control would be the solution. Still, in a way Attenborough?s remarks are a refreshing corrective to the overwhelmingly anthropocentric thrust of today?s environmental movement. Of course humans should care foremost about humans, but in recasting environmental policy as a question primarily of economic costs & benefits, we risk forgetting the obvious: We're not the only species on this planet. And even as we?re rightly fretting on the effects of sea-level rise on New York City 50 years from now, the plants & animals with whom we share the Earth are getting pummeled by deforestation, desertification, overfishing, and ocean acidification.



Fortunately, the problem isn?t as straightforward as Atten- borough?s excerpted quotes make it out to be. Yes, there are a lot of people on Earth, but a steady easing of population growth rates is expected in the coming decades even in the absence of population-control policies. And yes, we could eventually be in danger of running out of space to grow the food needed to feed everyone, but that?s as much a function of Western consumption habits as sheer numbers. In short, what we need in the world is not necessarily fewer people, but a lighter environmental footprint per person. A man who can sneak up on a lyrebird ought to know something about the possibility of treading lightly.



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No. Not remotely. I'll tell you who *is* a plague on the Earth, though: Attenborough and his Globalist cronies for peddling this bullshit. I don't know what their little game is; only that hundreds of billions are being thrown away on a Big Lie - and millions of poorly-paid forced into fuel poverty thanks to punitive tax rises and the costs of complying with endless and pointless new rules concerning heating appliances and insulation.

For reason of spamming groups you're in my killfile. It's good on this occasion someone felt the need to reply.

Interesting assertion. It's not new, the first I heard of the term was in The Matrix by Agent Smith: "I'd like to share a revelation that I've had during my time here. It came to me when I tried to classify your species and I realized that you're not actually mammals. Every mammal on this planet instinctively develops a natural equilibrium with the surrounding environment but you humans do not. You move to an area and you multiply and multiply until every natural resource is consumed and the only way you can survive is to spread to another area. There is another organism on this planet that follows the same pattern. Do you know what it is? A virus. Human beings are a disease, a cancer of this planet. You're a plague and we are the cure."

Perhaps David Attenborough should set an example, and remove himself from his plague.

"We (the UN/IPCC) redistribute de facto the world's wealth by climate policy..."

"One has to free oneself from the illusion that international climate policy is environmental policy. This has almost nothing to do with environmental policy any more..."

(written by an IPCC panel member, around 2010)

Yes I did. And I'm aware that the author is of course on 'my side' of the argument. Nevertheless, it's quite lengthy so I thought a follow-up for the benefit of the tl;dr brigade who might have assumed otherwise would be in order.

This is, of course, complete bollocks. All creatures reproduce to the maximum extent that they can. They predate what they can, and generally are predated by larger creatures. There is this phrase: the Balance of Nature, which is also tosh. Fact is, Nature is *never* in balance. If it were, we wouldn't have wet weather folloowed by dry weather followed by wet weather followed by ... - we'd have average weather all the time. You also wouldn't see some years when insects are plentiful leading to increases in bird/bat populations leading to insect populations crashing leading to bird/bat populations crashing. And so on.

Quite, and man predates everything else around him. The limit is set by food supply as per Thomas Malthus.

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The fact you dismiss such an assertion with undue force and bluster suggests you think there might be some truth behind the claim. If you were less vocal, then such a work of fiction would indeed stay that way.

Well, quite. In fact whenever I see phraseology suggesting that mankind, uniquely, is destroying his environment (which is nonsense on so many levels) I know the proponent has (unsurprisingly) been brainwashed by constant and unremitting Globalist propaganda.

What I'm dismissing is the assertion that "Every mammal on this planet instinctively develops a natural equilibrium with the surrounding environment ..."

No they don't; every mammal (and, as I said, in fact every living thing) takes, if it can, what it needs from the surrounding environment without regard to it. The natural feedback mechanisms limit what happens, by applying death as required.

We choose to escape that feedback, but we're not doing very much that's different to other life forms. Ants and termites keep slaves and some of them cultivate food underground (y'know, as in agriculture).

What humans do to the planet is perfectly fine except that there's too many of us doing it. The issue is not what we do, but overpopulation. But then, perhaps Covid and chums will see to that; we'll get death like everything else.

And don't think that, in developing vaccines to avoid it, we're different to other life form. You want a nasty form of death? Don't be an insect infected by Cordyceps - see here:

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to see why. The unifected ants notice the infected ones and apply a simple form of quarantine.

This is a good example of Attenborough sticking, like the cobbler, to his last. In fact he makes the same point about limitation that I am making.

Remember, Attenborough and his crew has contributed more to atmospheric polution than most, by flying around the world countless times.

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But super-beings like Attenborough (or, indeed, various academics who insist that car-use must be made too expensive and too inconvenient for hoi polloi) are exempt from the rules.

They're far too important to be restricted in such petty ways.

He's in mine also. Whether humans are a plague on earth is a matter of opinion, but what I'm certain about is that there are far too many of us.

Quite, it is an opinion.

So when someone shouts bollox it shows their bluff and fake bluster, such there must be more in the claim than they'd rather.

The jury is out on that one. Man made changes may well bite us back.

You've just contradicted your self. Or are you saying that ants and termites have also chosen to escape 'that feedback'?

Overpopulation merely exacerbates the problem.

And man might well be self-limiting himself.

That we choose to is a fact. Whether we succeed in that choice is what renmains to be seen.

No I haven't contradicted myself. I'm saying that things we do are also done by other species. Humans can actively choose (or not) because we are intelligent. Ants have evolved to exploit their environment in ways I described above. But either way the result for the local environment is the same.

See, there is this childish notion that seeks to blame Man for all the Earth's ills - that if Man as a species vanished then peace and harmony would reign. This was what Agent Smith was saying and is the bollocks promulgated by Greens and similar fools.

Now, how long have you been on the planet and how well travelled are you compared to him? Incidentelly he has never learnt to drive. Brian

I'll freely admit that Attenborough has contributed infinitely more to the 'greenhouse gases' he's always moaning about than I ever will. I would also point out that my own travels have been funded entirely out of my own pocket, as opposed to picking the pockets of others via the TV licence fee for my wold-wide jollies.

Not necessary when you're chauffered everywhere like Attenborough is.

If I had as many minions at my bidding as Attenborough undoubtedly has, I wouldn't bother driving either.

{love the Freudian slip, BTW.]

Yes, but that's now. How about when he was a young man?

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