Sometimes this forum worries me

[williamwright]

I keep seeing irrational attitudes displayed that are characteristic of the elderly. I hope I don't ever get like that.

Bill

[John Rumm]

I am sure someone will warn you if you do!

[R D S]

What's an example?

[Tim+]

Don?t worry. If you do, you almost certainly won?t realise it. ;-)

Tim

[T i m]

Both of you to help I tried, the indoctrination runs deep it does.

;-)

"Pass on what you have learned."

;-)

Cheers, T i m

[Dave Plowman (News]

Like always carrying your mobile phone at home in case you have a 'turn'? ;-)

[Brian Gaff (Sofa]

No of course not, Its a good job tvs don't have a picture valve any more. Who remembers this advice when a person answered the door. The fact that the cat had knocked a vase of flowers over the day before which was stood on the top of the telly never crossed their mind. Brian

[Brian Gaff (Sofa]

One thing I do notice with age is what I used to moan about others doing. Telling the same story twice, but I now realise its not that you forget you have told the story, its just that you unremember who you told it to. Brian

[T i m]

Yup, that can happen but what is worse when they don't tell you so.

Nothing wrong with an 'Oh yes, I think you mentioned that before' to save you both time (and to show you were listening and remember from the first time). ;-)

Cheers, T i m

[Richard]

Here,

Perhaps you could stop with the sermons here and do something positive to stop the cruelty. I am against the export of live animals. They should be slaughtered in the countries where they are bred and exported as a foodstuff. Hopefully you are grown up enough to understand that.

[T i m]

<snip>

Sermons to you are advocacy / passion to protect innocent and sentient creatures to others.

I am doing *WAY* more then you could ever do by signing petitions ... I'm not supporting the process in the first place!

See, it's easy. If everyone stopped paying to have all these animals killed and exploited, they would stop killing and exploiting them. It

*really* couldn't be any simpler could it (even for you)!

Why is that then. Do they not still die at the end of their trip

*anyway*? Surely a couple of days of discomfort is nothing compared with only living a fraction of your natural life? Now, when you show me livestock willingly bolt gunning itself in the head or walking into a gas chamber then cutting it's own throat as opposed to desperately trying to avoid when it knows is likely to not be what it wants for itself, then I would agree with your virtue signaling.

Nope, see, again you are fighting the wrong cause. They shouldn't be slaughtered at all and the chances are the vast majority wouldn't be if the people wanting to consume their flesh had to do it themselves.

Doesn't that tell you anything about just how unnatural (in most of the civilised population in 2021) and barbaric it is, if most people couldn't do it and certainly would let their kids even see it?

And talking of that, look how early the indoctrination starts:

"Cows produce milk for their calves (and people) to drink."

No they f****ng don't. Cows don't and never have produced milk 'for people to drink'. They have only ever produced milk for their calves to drink and we steal it off them, often killing the calf to do so!

Does that not sound sick to you?

Can you not see how logically inconsistent it all is?

Oh the irony.

;-)

No, the bottom line is 'most people' prefer to bury their heads and morals in the sand and carry on doing what they were brought up to do and accept as 'normal' because they are normalised to the idea and addicted to the taste (dopamine). Because of the (apparent) social acceptance, normalisation, commercialisation and marketing we continue to 'go along with it' but if they dared to look just a little closer, most people would question it all (especially if forced to do it themselves).

So the truth is most people are sufficiently abstract from it all to allow the cognitive dissonance, the logical inconsistency and the physic numbing to override their morals, meaning that ITRW, people don't really like and respect animals, they love their pets and some 'special cause' (often a man made issue) wildlife ... or abused donkeys but really prefer not to confront what would be real internal conflicts if they were only to open their eyes and minds.

Cheers, T i m

[Spike]

Sounds like dog-in-a-manger.

You had the benefit of >60 years as a meat-eater, and now you want to remove everybody's freedom of choice on the matter by forcing us all to go 'vegan'. However, medical science is moving towards the state where a vegan diet can be seen to be positively dangerous.

[Richard]

<snip the garbage you posted and retain the link I supplied>

Here,

I tried. You are completely irrational.

[R D S]

Yeah, What about when you say "have I already told you..." and they say not, but you're almost certain you have, hence they probably don't listen to you.

And my missus often tells me things that i've told her.

[T i m]

Or they may go though the motions of listening but can't take it in (any more)? ;-(

Or they read something but can't seem to translate that into an action themselves?

I had a mate read the instructions for how to set up his video / TV to me over the phone and I repeated it back to him (sight unseen) and he did it (after not being able to for 'hours' apparently)?

And I used to mentioned that I have told mine (everyday, non technical) things previously but that doesn't help her because she (obviously) can't remember me so doing. ;-(

She just read out a text that she had been sent but whilst he narrated the words, the detail of the meaning didn't seem to have been acknowledged by her. ;-(

We (well I) have been watering in a couple of newly planted memorial trees on behalf of a neighbours family because we can go past there (when walking for ourselves and with the dog) and they all live miles away.

The text read something along the lines of 'I've just put 20l of water around the trees' (letting us know he's done it this time, it would have been her birthday or summat).

I said 'Ah, he's not applied it though the watering tubes then ...' and the content of that statement seemed lost, given she's stood there and watched me empty several watering cans worth of water down the watering tubes. She even repeated what bits of it he had texted her and she had taken in ... 'watered trees'.

So yes, apart from not listening, people can listen (even proactively) but not actually hear / understand / remember.

Trying to relay the instruction 'Turn the knob up' is only any value if someone knows the difference between a knob, button and switch, even when there is only one 'knob' on there and what way 'up' might be (apparently). ;-)

Cheers, T i m

[alan_m]

The yoof of today have no understanding of what it's like to be elderly :)

[Andrew]

<snip even more emotive nonsense>.

D i m wants to live in world where huge numbers of animal species would become extinct, because unless there is a reason for them to exist, no-one is going to waste money keeping them, apart from hobby farmers with huge primary assets and incomes. Few if any of the animals will be bred because at some point there will be too many. Just like the nonsense of 'rewilding' parts of the country because unless you reintroduce wolves and bears? too, there will be no natural predators for wild deer and boar, who then multiply and end up causing a nuisance or simply dying from starvation because there are too many of them.

[Andrew]

That clown, who with his degree in agriculture, thinks he is an expert on 'global warming'

[Andrew]

Or carrying a mobile phone *and* a spare battery in the other pocket. Must be a really old phone if it takes a spare battery ?

[T i m]

Ah, back to you own pro-animal-cruelty justification / agenda.

And there is *still* no point me reading it.

No you didn't, you admitted you ignored everything I said because you want to continue causing innocent animals pain, suffering, exploitation and death.

Oh the irony.

You play your virtual signaling by feigning interest in animal welfare whilst continuing to cause animal welfare issues in the first place because you like the taste of *their* (*their* notice, it's not

*yours*) flesh and excretions?

I (nor the millions of others round the world who *really* care about animals (and not just pets and those we don't want to eat or exploit)) show our genuine interest in animal welfare by not exploiting or killing them. QED.

This is just how 'rational' you are being ...

Cheers, T i m