Your ignorance is boundless The link was *not* to a petition. It is a letter written by someone who actually cares about animal welfare as opposed to the self-obsessed bigotry constantly vomited up by you.
Trust you revert to your fanatical norm.
You are the perfect example of "irrational attitudes displayed that are characteristic of the elderly".
Ah yes, the ability to use emotions like compassion and benevolence to determine how we consider other species.
Do I? That sounds like some sort of BULLSHIT you have just made up?
Correct. If the only reason the exist is because we bred them to eat or exploit and especially those that wouldn't survive in the wild then they shouldn't be here in the first place (and shouldn't be here now).
Of course ... and not just waste money, waste food, waste water, cause pollution, create antibiotic resistance in those who consume them, risk zoonotic pandemics etc etc.
Don't forget the bodies doing good work trying to undo the damage we have done to thousands of creatures we are putting at risk though our destruction of their habitat and the eventual massive cost to us.
Wow, I think the penny is actually dropping, albeit for the wrong reasons ...
Like they would *naturally* you mean? How on earth did they all manage before we got here?
So, another one wanting to play god and cost us all dearly.
Well done you for yet another demonstration of just how ignorant you are about any of it.
Cheers, T i m
I think a straw poll of people here will put you in the ignorant camp simply because you have not, and cannot think through what you are suggesting.
Oh the irony. You *think* that anything you are likely to come out with is going to be of any real interest to me and benefit to the animals?
I only needed to read the heading "LETTER - People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals can for live export ban" to imagine how well constructed the rest of it might be.
<shrug> I did start to look but I had to fill in a questionnaire to read further so didn't bother (and because I knew there was little point).Ah yes, making the slaves 'more comfortable' rather than not keeping slaves at all.
Cheers, T i m
On 12/06/2021 14:02, T i m wrote: <snip>
Fuck off. The eating shit and dying is optional.
Oh, of a majority of old meat eaters? <g> No, you surprise me!
In your opinion.
Unfortunately (for you), I share my POV with millions of people, including many experts, scientists AND farmers and that number is ever growing.
I don't understand why the various subscribers to this forum who continually argue with T i m don't just kill-file him. Arguing with him or abusing him is pointless.
Well, I thought that I might be able to get him to see that the people who he is vilifying might actually care more than he thinks they do. The attempt was futile so I resorted to abusing him as arguing with an idiot is folly.
And why do you think your POV has any greater standing than mine?
You really should try harder.
Imagine you were born on this planet without any indoctrination on what you could eat but were surrounded by fruit, nuts, berries and veg that could be consumed raw, like peas, beans, tomatoes, lettuce, celery, onion, radish, cucumber and even mushrooms.
At what point do you think you would climb up into a tree and take a birds egg out of it's nest, crack it open and eat it? Or see a cow, pig or goat feeding it's young and think you would want a go, given you could drink water, or put some lemon juice in water ... or mix water with other things like ground oats or rice and make something you could also drink?
At what point would you look at a bird or calf and think 'I wonder if I can eat that'?
If you had plentiful supply of other foods, at what point would you think you *should* kill another being , just to eat?
The only reason you would try to argue *for* the killing and exploitation of animals in 2021 is because you are so indoctrinated to consider it both 'normal' and 'morally acceptable' when in fact it's neither.
Cheers, T i m
Because when it comes to the crunch, you can never provide a cohesive argument and post lies. When shown to be lies you resort to personal abuse.
You have truly lost it. See your GP.
When it's in the supermarket or cooked and placed on my plate.
To obtain all the nutrients I and my family require as part of a natural balanced diet.
It's not the only reason. I don't don't want to harm my loved ones by feeding them an exclusively plant based diet.
Thankfully some people do care for the harm is causes:
The same ones eating a natural balanced diet. Meat eaters and vegetarians are inherently greater in number.
Of the majority.
History has caused us to evolve into depending on eating meat and meat products to maintain out health. We have evolved to digest lactose into adulthood.
We have evolved, and fanatics with a dairy allergy issue have not.
It's not a coincidence that those with a mainly plat based diet and lactose intolerance are generally associated with the third world or developing countries.
Meat eaters are already a critical mass. You are a fanatical ignorant person.
In message snipped-for-privacy@4ax.com, Chris Hogg snipped-for-privacy@privacy.net writes
I'm amused that he used to rail about troll behaviour. Now it is the only way most see any of his output!
As a measure of useful group activity one could look at the gaps between the mentions of *angle grinder*.
>I'm not sure what that's all about, any more than any other genuine user here?
Yup. If you don't agree or like something the best thing to do is hide from it and then it will go away.
I'm afraid you are living in the past OM. ;-(
But hey, I'm glad that killfile is really working for you and you don't still get to read what I type. ;-)
Cheers, T i m
I did, long ago.
And yet, here you are, still joining in bizarre threads and talking about me. ;-)
Cheers, T i m
Sadly I came to the same conclusion in the end...
And in many cases the feeling is mutual and partly for the same reason.
Like, you generally make friends though common interests, it can be via other people, friends of family etc but here it's generally more because we (or those of us who have been here for some time and do / share practical stuff) have a common interest.
However, sometimes you learn things about even your 'friends' that changes the viewpoint to such a level that maintaining that friendship becomes difficult. This is most likely over to be things you are passionate about yourself and *especially* when there are innocent victims who are suffering, whoever it may be.
Like, if you learned they were active racists, wife beaters or partook in anything that caused unnecessary suffering to anything or one (like fox hunting, especially when done under the banner of 'sport'), then that might be a game changer.
In my case the unnecessary suffering is to do with animals and whilst there are some here who are in full agreement with me to that end, there are some (and I'm not even including the trolls here) who seem completely un waving in their attitude to their treatment of animals, people who previously I have held in high regard / respect, not only for their practical / technical skills but in general as (and obviously IMHO) 'good people'.
So maybe, just like I was with smoking in public places (especially indoors), I am (along with millions of others around the world) ahead of the general game and so it's also it's likely it's the same with my attitude to animal rights. Luckily (as it was with smoking) it's obvious I'm neither the first nor alone and listening to all the science, something we will all be considering more and more as time goes on (like / agree / with it or not).
But then the exact same thing happened with black rights, giving women the vote and our attitude to people with disabilities or with 'different' views to what sex person should be allowed to marry another. Many people would have been in denial (that they should have such equal rights) and would therefore actively resisted or just not supported, until it was forced on them by law or societal pressure.
Some will never change their attitudes of course and so likely take them to their graves.
So in the light of the above, as the lockdown (hopefully) eases and the weather (hopefully) get's better, I really should spend more time getting on with more productive stuff. ;-)
I learned a lot about people, so thanks to all those who were willing to engage in a real *conversation* and especially to those who obviously have already chosen to better align their actions with their morals.
Cheers, T i m
Do you know how weird it feels to be the same age as old people. :-)
Indeed. I am now older than my father and catching up to my mother!
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