The break point for older vehicles (sometime in 1965, ISTR) between compulsory seatbelts and non-compulsion was not affected by the law requiring seatbelts to be worn from early 1983.
That law only applied if the vehicle was required to be fitted with, and was fitted with, seat-belts. And there was a defence in law if a seatbelt was malfunctioning.
How are the cops going to know that you have turned off the airbags ?
That isnt what determies driving without valid insurance
+1
And how would you prove that the airbag inflated as a result of a crash, rather than just before and perhaps causing it?
The engine management system will probably be keeping a record of events during the 10 seconds or so before the crash. If the airbag detonated just before the crash the monitoring circuit which checks the integrity of the initiator circuit would notice an open circuit and record this event. John
They don't need to.
From CoPilot, in response o a direct question about the Takata air-bags safety recall and Do Not Drive" order):
QUOTE: British car insurance companies—and consumer rights experts—have made it clear that driving a Citroën C3 subject to a “do not drive” safety recall could invalidate your insurance.
The recall affects certain Citroën C3 and DS3 models fitted with Takata airbags, which can become dangerously unstable over time. Stellantis, Citroën’s parent company, issued an urgent stop-drive order for around
120,000 UK vehicles, instructing owners not to drive them under any circumstances until repairs are completed.Driving the vehicle despite this warning can have serious consequences:
- Insurance invalidation: If you ignore the stop-drive order and are involved in an accident, your insurer may refuse to pay out on any claim.
- Legal penalties: You could face fines, penalty points, or even a driving ban for operating a vehicle deemed unsafe [or without adequate third party insurance - Ed.].
According to Martin Lewis’ MoneySavingExpert team and consumer rights advocates, the law is firmly on the side of consumers when it comes to repair obligations — but only if the vehicle is not driven while under recall.
If your Citroën C3 is affected, the safest course is to:
- Immediately stop driving it.
- Register for the recall repair via Citroën’s website or helpline.
- Document all correspondence and delays for consumer protection purposes. ENDQUOTE
We have a C3 and had the safety recall notice before the "Do Not Drive" order and were lucky enough to have the work done very promptly, but were not issued with any documentation to the effect that the work had been done. There was quite a battle with the dealer, and involving Citroen UK, before we were given a letter of certification - produceable to the insurer or the police - to the effect that the work had indeed been done.
Bullshit
Trivial if there is dashcam video or surveillane video
That'd be better asked of the insurance companies, I'd say. Or the police.
Driving a vehicle which is defective in some material respect (or with "dangerous parts") is, of course, as we all know, an offence under the Construction & Use Regs. Minimum of three points.
+1. Although that doesn' t really apply to low slung riding lights
Irrelevant to your stupid claim that that would allow the cops to prosecute you for driving uninsured
Irrelevant to your stupid claim that that would allow the cops to prosecute you for driving uninsured
Yes
That's bullshit
Irrelevant to your stupid claim that that would allow the cops to prosecute you for driving uninsured
Irrelevant to your stupid claim that that would allow the cops to prosecute you for driving uninsured
Yes.
A steering column through te chest was a major cause of death The whole safety culture was rational then: It looked at reasons why people died or had accidents in the first place, unlike today when they 'assume' it's just 'going too fast'
So true...
Well, it seems that the car can be driven - at least to an MOT! This is from
---------------------------------------------------------------- What to do if the vehicle is affected
You can MOT test the vehicle as normal. The affected vehicles will only cause a problem in the event of an airbag deployment because of an accident.
You should issue a ‘manual advisory’ with the following text:
“This vehicle has an outstanding recall. Contact Citroën for information and to arrange a free repair.”----------------------------------------------------------------
Note that "The affected vehicles will only cause a problem in the event of an airbag deployment because of an accident."
How does that tie in with the info here:
---------------------------------------------------------------- Stellantis, the parent company of Citroen, has recalled tens of thousands of Citroen and DS models in the UK due to faulty airbags that – in some circumstances – can explode in an uncontrolled manner, causing injury or even death.
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They can't both be right.
That doesn't matter as much as some people might think.
And that's because Citroen has not only issued an advisory notice. It has issued a "Do Not Drive" notice.
They seem to be, if 'some circumstances' means 'in the event of an airbag deployment because of an accident'.
Be aware that Citroen Customer Care 0800 093 9393 are offering up to £22 per day compensation for using taxis, buses etc, (with receipts) BUT only from the date that you register with them until the vehicle is repaired.
That sounds good, if a little late for some.
My wife's car had the recall work done within a week of the original notifcation (and before the "Do Not Drive" notice). We didn't incur any extra cost, I'm glad to say.
Some people still seem to think that they need them on at the first hint of rain ;(
Fair point...
This is a very long thread. Haven't read most of it. However, was it legal to sell you the car with this outstanding stop notice?
Cheers
Dave R
There's the rub. I think the dealer I bought from either knew or didn't bother to check the MOT. We are in discussion.
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