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You might also add the cases where people with no intention of actually
*doing* the work nonetheless want to canvass opinion on how the job should be done. Reaching a somewhat informed opinion of the competence of those hired rather than just trusting to advertised qualifications and certifications is entirely reasonable. A DIY group is also useful for people who are jus' lookin'
So these HCIs will have to be competant to assess the state of the gas, water, electrical, oil and drainage services? It may well be that the report [1] will encompass all these things and more. It is just about certain that they'll have to sub out more that one or two of the aspects to a specialist.
[1] I've spoken to a number of people in the 'trade' (of house letting/management/selling) almost all are of the opinion that the purchasers won't trust a report commissioned and paid for by the vendor.2'ed. Even if does happen it's not going to stop posts coming hear, nor is it going to stop replies to them.
There are already a load of trade forums available including ones hosted by Screwfux.
Said certificate would be from somebody in the CORGI guild to be given to the person in the HCI guild.
They will be qualified surveyors or possibly BCIs and most likely RICS members or dimilar. It's a tough and quite expensive qualification to get. I know what's in the draft report format as released to the "trade", and it most certianly won't be a rubber stamp exercise.
It's not necessarily commissioned and paid for by the vendor, for one thing, although it is their responsibility to ensure it happens. And there are very stringent quality controls on the content and format. The HCR will be something of a half way house between a drive by valuation and a full blown structural survey. Many buyers STILL only have valuation surveys done, more fool them, so a HIP will be better than many current positions.
It doesn't apply to letting, of course, that's not covered.
Ali
If you mean the inspection certificate to signal a retrofitted compliance, then yes, for gas it would be CORGI, for double glazing FENSA and so forth. It would NOT go to the HCI - and there isn't actually a guild for those as such by the way. It would go to the HIP compiler.
Ali
"Ali Hopkins" wrote in news: snipped-for-privacy@individual.net:
But if the buyer loses money because of the negligence of the surveyor, will the latter be responsible for compensating them? If not, then it is a complete waste of time and money for everyone except the surveyor.
Exactly, so it's a non-issue.
Oh I see. Would he be a member of the HIP guild?
They will definately not be surveyors -- RICS is being very firm on that point, as it would devalue real surveyors. They will hold a diploma in home inspection.
A problem at the moment is that the training is behind schedule, and many of those coming forward to be trained are turning out not to be up to it. It had been thought that applicants would come from within the building trade (I can't think why), but the applicants are mainly from outside the building trade, and completely ignorant of building work.
Currently, no mortgage lender is willing to accept it either. I wouldn't accept it on a house I was buying.
It has to exist before the house can go on the market, so it's difficult to see what other arrangement might exist.
Apparently, only a 1/3rd of buyers have a survey (I suspect that excludes those who rely on the mortgage lender's valuation report).
[Followups drop uk.net.news.config, where this is going off-topic]
It's the way stuph is done when new net news groups (aka newsgroups or usenet groups) are created in the uk.* hierarchy. It isn't meant to prevent folk in existing groups discussing the proposal - far from it, but in terms of the creation process and the lead to any vote, the discussion takes place in uk.net.news.config as it is a 'config' issue and should not necessarily become too off topic in the groups it may possibly, but not provenly, affect.
I have modified the 'follow-up' groups, as I'm interested in the proposal but do not take uk.d-i-y - this does not mean you are being 'dissed', just that the process of creating, modifying or removing groups in uk.* has an established process and all participants in the hierarchy of groups are free to join in, in the appropriate place, if that makes sense :-)
Does not having the discussion in uk.net.news.config _and_ having it crossposted to uk.d-i-y not also achieve the same result?
Hence my comment above for those of us who don't take uk.net.news.config
In two words, Indemnity Insurance.
Ali
No such animal.
Ali
In message , at
21:58:18 >The definitive discussion of the RFD has to appear in uk.net.news.config and any discussion solely in other newsgroups, uk.d-i-y in this case, that appears outside uk.net.news.config is not considered part of the definitive discussion.
Whilst there is no objection to the discussion concerning the RFD itself appearing in both newsgroups, sidebars with no relevance to the RFD should be hived off into uk.d-i-y (cf Andrew Gabriel setting followups on the HCR discussion as an example).
I would suggest that uk.d-i-y subscribers should subscribe to unnc from the start of the RFD if they are interested in the progress of the RFD. Not all comments on the RFD will be crossposted to uk.d-i-y
I understand what you're saying, which is why I've left the unmodified distribution to include uk.d-i-y - but have again modified the follow-up :-)
The requirement that all discussion takes place in unnc is not meant to be exclusive, dictatorial or authoritarian - more a way of maintaining some order of process and attempting to avoid what may be totally off topic discussion affecting (in this case) uk.d-i-y
Deciding what groups may be affected, or notified of the RFD is purely subjective. Many in uk.d-i-y may not feel such discussion is relevant, or may not care (which is fine). A recentish RFD for the creation of uk.rec.gps - for example - was notified to a lot of groups who may have had an interest. It may be thought that maintaining a discussion within all of those groups would be inappropriate.
unnc is not always the friendliest of places and I can fully understand folk from 'normal' groups not wanting to get too involved here/there, but it is the place where discussions relating to the creation, modification or removal of groups within our hierarchy (uk.* hierarchy) takes place and where the general 'business' is done.
Believe me, it's not in the slightest bit 'elite' - and there's probably more noise to signal than many folk in other groups are used to, but it is a part of the overall management of our hierarchy and I would encourage anyone with an interest in any proposed RFD to take it, albeit if only for a short while if necessary.
Many of the regular and valued contributors in unnc have originally arrived as a result of an RFD being crossposted to one of their 'regular' groups. Posting or lurking in any uk.* group entitles you to participate in the management process of the entire hierarchy, and to be frank, our hierarchy is all the richer for it IMO.
JRS: In article , dated Fri,
23 Dec 2005 00:44:56 local, seen in news:uk.net.news.config, Andrew Gabriel posted :You may be technically incorrect there. Outside that trade, ISTM that it may be quite well known as High Voltage Alternating Current - which actually reinforces your position.
However, the word "heating" conveys to me more than just warming the local environment - there's cooking, soldering, welding, casting of ingots etc.
Heating Ventilation Air Conditioning.
The three overlap in commercial fields, while plumbing is entirely separate. In the domestic fields heating and plumbing overlap, which is problem as plumber generally are not that well up on heating to the point they add little value, being far too retrograde.
I'll see what happens. I have serious doubts about the whole process. [ If the person producing the report is capable of assessing the whole range of structural legal and technical aspects they will be a seriously elite bunch (being something of an solicitor, building surveyor, structural engineer, gas installer and electrician). ]
It really depends on the situation. I bought a flat without any survey. This however was in a managed block. I did however look over the management accounts very carefully to see what if anything was causing any problems. Of course I knew that the price was about right (for the previous week!) so and a full structural survey would have told me nothing I could already see.
A HIP would have stated the electrics as totally finished, whereas my quick glance said low average. At the state of the market, then, the price would have gone up by the cost of the rewire in about the same time it took to argue about it!
Each component will be produced by the separate professions, as it were - which isn't that different from what happens now in the ideal case. The difference is that they will be assembled in to one HIP and available to all buyers. So, the CON29 will be done by the solicitor, HCR by the HCI and so on.
I think you were very brave. I do hope you had a full search done.
Ali
Hmm.... So jobs for the boys and jobs for the jobsworths, all in a cosy bureaucratic framework to make sure that taxes are paid and policed by yet more civil servants ....... and it still doesn't address the fundamental commercial flaw of being paid for by the seller.
What a crock....
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