Re: OT Gaming of petitions - the official response

Apr 12, 2019 Last reply: 7 years ago 2 Replies
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> > >>> > >>>>


> >>>> The Petitions Committee has replied to my email about gaming of
> >>>> petitions and the response is much as I expected.
> >>>>
> >>>> As I and others have suggested, simply getting and replying to a
> >>>> confirmatory email is not the end of the matter. Obviously, they are
> >>>> not going to go into details in an email, but they say:
> >>>>
> >>>> 'The Government Digital Service have a number of ways of identifying
> >>>> and preventing fraudulent activity based around blocking, removing
> >>>> and monitoring signatures as appropriate.'
> >>>>
> >>>> Interestingly, they also tell me that, as people do share email
> >>>> addresses, they will permit two votes from one email address. > >>>>
> >>>> As I also suggested, while there is an element of fraud in the
> >>>> voting, it is not a significant amount, although about twice what I
> >>>> thought it was from previously published figures.
> >>>>
> >>>> 'The number of these signatures on the article 50 petition is within
> >>>> the normal range ? around 1%.'
> >>>>
> >>>> So, whatever some Brexiteers on here may wish to believe, there
> >>>> really are around 6 million people who have called upon the
> >>>> government to revoke Article 50.
> >>>>
> >>>> The last time there was a petition on this scale was the Chartists'
> >>>> petition of 1842, with 3.3 million signatures from a population of
> >>>> around 27 million. That was comprehensively rejected by parliament
> >>>> at the time, but is now seen as a milestone in parliamentary reform. > >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>> And you believe that?..
> >>
> >> Well, I wasn't expecting you to. You have already frequently
> >> demonstrated a distrust of authority to the point of paranoia. In
> >> fact, distrust of authority is one factor that predisposed people to
> >> vote leave. However, I have, as I promised, relayed the reply for
> >> anybody on here who has a genuine interest.
> >>
> >>
> > Ther are two or three areas which I know far berfter thanb any
> > politician. One is electrical engineering and another is IT and a third
> > is the philsophy of scince.
> >
> > In every area the government has lied.
>
> The petitions committee represents parliament, not government.
>
> >
> > May:
> >
> > "Leave means leave". Lie. Leave means stay in  under worse terms. >
> Technically, even with her deal we would be leaving, just not the sort
> of leaving that many Brexiteers thought they were voting for.
>
> > "Control over our borderes" Lie.
>
> That one is actually a Leave campaign lie.
>
> > "Freedom to govern our pen vcountry" Lie.
> > "We will leave on March 29th" Lie.
> >
> > You dont need to be paranoid to see when your government is lying to
> > you, you just need an ounce of intelligence.
>
> Which would tell anybody with it that you don't believe what a
> politician says, only what they do. All along, May has been putting
> holding the Conservative party together before anything else.

She's doing a great job of making them unelectable.


Governments are about power & taking your money. They achieve acceptance of that with propaganda. It is simply immature to trust what they say.

Interesting I thought it was about 2-3% still pretty insignificant though.

So still 10 million less than those that actually go off their arse to vote for remain. It's the millennials fault they don't know how to use their phones to sign a petition.

So that's over 10% in 1842 and less than 10% in 2016.

Shouldn't that be a kilometre marker.....

They would say that wouldn't they? First step is always denial. These petitions are just a sop to the population anyway.

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