Railways.

Depends whose figures you use, The LMS and especially the LNER had been affected by the 1930's depression due to them serving the more industrial parts of the Country, the Southern was predominantly a passenger carrier before the age of mass car ownership and because of geology did not make extending tube lines south of the river easy had little competition from them compared to North London, one tube made it to Morden and then the Southern got an agreement that no more would come south. it built the line to Chessington as late as 1939 which indicates it was still investing. It should have continued to Leatherhead but WW2 and then the green belt stopped that part being finished. The Great Western served enough wealthier parts of the country that it wasn't as badly affected by the depression even though a good part of its freight was coal from the South Wales area.

The latter two were beginning to make a modest making a profit again and the LMS, at the time the largest corporate body in the world made a reasonable amount from its hotels and shipping operations. What isn't in doubt that the wartime traffic and lack of maintenance would have needed a lot investment to remedy, and it has been suggested the government of the day found it easier to nationalize rather than pay it's bill. The Southern and GWR boards were against nationalization, Ironically one of the GWR directors was Harold Macmillan under whose government in later years Dr Beseeching was brought in to sort out the railways.

The Nationalized British Railways did make an operating profit till

1955 , ironically just as it went into an operating loss the government poured £1.2 Billion into modernizing the network, unfortunately a lot of it was wasted as to many entrenched in the industry modernization meant replacing old steam locos for diesel ones and old wagons for new ones without addressing the main issue that the freight that they would have carried had transferred to road and far too many places still had two routes serving them when one would have sufficed, this poor treatment of such a large investment put following governments off investing in the railways to such an extent ever since.

Arguably if the Railways had remained as private companies they may not have splashed money quite so freely on lost causes,closed lines a decade or two earlier than the Beeching cuts and moved traffic where necessary to the road interests they already had shares in a process they had started before WW2.

G.Harman

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damduck-egg
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I once got the GPO (well, early BT) to install a phone in under 5 days.

It was for me to do some work for them at Martlesham, via modem.

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Bob Eager

Leatherhead is on the southern region. And the station was built in 1869..

What are you talking about?

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The Natural Philosopher

The line to Chessington was a new 1930's build by the Southern Railway that left one already existing line at Motspur park and would have continued to join the existing line at Leatherhead. WW2 intervened before completion , The green belt policy introduced after WW2 meant that housing develpoment that would have provided potential customers would not now take place so the section beyond Chessington remained unbuilt apart from a short bit that served a coal depot and a little further a section of was built by the Army as a training exercise. Chessington South station built in the Art Deco style of the time was built with two platforms, only one has ever been used.

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There was a bridge here that has since been removed but the embankment that was built and never used can be seen leading away from the communication mast in the direction the line would have taken to Leatherhead.

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G.Harman

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damduck-egg

That sort would be late regardless of how he travelled. ;-)

We had one like that. Who came in by car. And the one in charge. So one day we waited until he arrived before starting work - after all we had to be given the day's instructions. He got the message. ;-)

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Dave Plowman (News)

Interesting insight on the economics of freight/passenger rail service in the US:

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mechanic

In message , mechanic writes

Very interesting comments, thanks. Seems that, in some areas, freight has priority whereas passengers win elsewhere. Depends who owns the track and who is bunging whom, apparently.

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Graeme

Roger Hayter was thinking very hard :

Much easier/cheaper in most premises, to just bring the pair in. The pair then became four, with the ring wire, but that is not much used for modern equipment.

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Harry Bloomfield

Does your telegraph still ring then?

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The Natural Philosopher

The 2 pair used internally was the old way of having multiple lo-Z bells - which were wired in series. When hi-Z became practical, the 3 wire system arrived.

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Dave Plowman (News)

Simple when you know the area, just another line in from London - Leatherhead has two Out lines

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charles

i know Very well

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The Natural Philosopher

FWIW it was Portillo on This Week

tim

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