Portable A/C vent into fireplace?

There are many houses designed or retofitted to stay cool in hot climates without ac. The technology is known. AC is not required even in hotter places than here. People use it as a knee jerk reaction to excess heat due to a complete failure to understand the available technologies or even quite basic aspects of the situation. Even my very simple differential thermostat system is beyond the grasp of most, why I don't know but it certainly is. They think that any time the fan isn't running it's not cooling, the fan should be on!

NT

The thing about idiots is they don't go & learn about a subject, but are happy to comment on it anyway & insist they are right. There's been no lack of that in this group of late. It takes nothing to go search on google or youtube for the various cooling methods in use.

I've been playing with non-ac cooling since I was a teenager. Ac certainly works, but it's kinda silly when you can get the same result at a tiny fraction the cost.

NT

But enough of it does. Shading of windows, walls & white stone on flat roofs do. Differential thermostatic ventilation does Evaporative cooling can contribute nearly all the time, just not on those rare days as we had recently when it's 100% RH AND heatwave hot. Using cool from the soil under the house works well. Insulation & choice of paint colours are also useful.

Anyone that has not encountered houses that stay cool in summer without ac has either not been out much or not been paying attention. Anyone that has not chosen to learn why and what newer technologies exist has simply chosen to not know about it.

Learning this stuff is easy. Learn or don't, anything else is pointless.

NT

That can certainly happen in a hypothetical setup. I've not met practical evaporative coolers that are that bad.

If you've tried using commercial swamp coolers you'll have noticed that despite the RH increase compromising the feeling of cool, they do still increase the feeling of coolness.

NT

So why reference something we weren't talking about?

But not all of them refereed to a 'crude' then?

Because *someone* was BS'ing and has tried to weasel out of it.

Them: They say there was a car that can do 1000 mpg.

You: My car can easily do that.

Them: Oh yes, what car is that?

You: (Some BS excuse to try to buy time)

Them: Eh?

You: Yes, the model car I designed (but never actually built).

Them: Ah.

Cheers, T i m

Of course, mostly because they don't have electricity.

Yes, see above.

But is generally fitted, if they can afford it and have the electricity to run it.

And when it hot and they want to be cool.

I'm sure it is ... and why you haven't made millions from it.

No, I wonder why!

So you say.

No, idiots!

Cheers, T i m

I wonder why we don't see more of it then?

Again, none of that round here ...

Ah, the 'differential thermostatic ventilation', like open / closing the windows (and curtains) at the right times you mean? No, no one does that over here for sure. Not seen it in greenhouses either.

Yes, if you live in a concrete bunker and want a swimming pool on the roof.

After you have asked the landlord and can afford the insulated hoses up to the 5th floor?

See above.

Or doesn't watch any of the new an innovative designer home programs that the vast majority can't afford or live in.

Or are realists and don't live in a bunker in a field?

Ah, so because you are *The* font of all information on this you

John was exactly right and the distraction bs and insults.

So, this 'crude swamp cooler' you were referring to again, how well did you say it works ... or would work in a standard UK house in the summer?

Cheers, T i m

Perhaps best get your terminology correct or explain things with

Such is very notable self-deprecating statement. Something I thought I would never hear from you.

You're absolutely right, it takes no time at all to perform a google search about "crude swamp cooler" using the quotes and get 8 hits! Such a term can hardly be described as common parlance.

Playing? Some of us work in professional fields and know what works and what doesn't and learnt from their early work as a teenager.

Name a single company in the UK that offers "crude swamp cooler" otherwise you're living in a silly fantasy land.

However I can accept you've played abroad on "crude swamp cooler"s in some developing country that is both hot and dry.

Remind us, what idiot said a "crude swamp cooler" "doesn't make indoors any damper".

There was no confusion on my part despite your deliberate obfuscation.

It's telling when idiots talk through their arse making statements like a "crude swamp cooler" "doesn't make indoors any damper". And when shown they were wrong go on to claim they were talking about a more sophisticated device.

Yes, typically in places where night temperatures drop close to zero. In all hot humid places traditional AC is used.

I'm going to bite, how does having a differential thermostat assist in cooling a room?

That might be because the passing of air, even if hot and close to saturation, can create a real cooling effect on skin. Fans tend to assist this and why I use a fan in my office on very hot days.

You can remain in your seemingly constant state of denial.

thank you for confirming that all you want to do is waste people's time.

The pros in this country use ac. It works, but is very inefficient. They don't care, they're making money, the more they charge the more they make. That some semm too naive to notice that is weird.

no in this country silly. Why do you comment & judge on things you know jack about? Nah, I don't care.

NT

Too much stupid bs for me.

It's not required in a much wider range of places than that.

ac is used in every climate where cooling is wanted. There is an increasing minority that are into finding ways to obtain cooling without the power & money guzzle of ac, and it's a successful endeavour. Of course as you're convinced otherwise you haven't gone & found out about it.

Masonry has thermal capacity. Outdoor temp cycles are max in afternoon, minimum before dawn. Run a ventilation fan when outdoors is cooler than indoors, and the masonry is slowly cooled, resulting in daytime indoors starting from lower temp & climbing ultimately to a lower maximum. Very simple stuff. 20 watts gets me a temp drop of upto 6C. As a youngster I began with much higher power and got more temp drop.

You're confusing 2 different things, bringing in outdoor air & moving the air in the room. They are not the same, and do not do the same 2 things.

Didn't think you'd be sensible for long.

Ultimately I think anyone that absolutely refuses to go get informed & yet insists they know better when they don't even know basic stuff is... well, not being exactly intelligent.

NT

The only BS was some idiot saying a "crude swamp cooler" "doesn't make indoors any damper".

Instead of the BS trying citing a reference for such rubbish, on how "crude swamp coolers" are taking off.

Quite, the movement of air is needed for cooling. Glad we can finally agree.

I was hardly informed by someone lacking intelligence saying a "crude swamp cooler" "doesn't make indoors any damper".

Because it is very effective and easily controlled. A no-brainer.

My only comment is to remind you this sub-thread is simply because some idiot said a "crude swamp cooler" "doesn't make indoors any damper".

The person who said a "crude swamp cooler" "doesn't make indoors any damper" is the one wasting everyone's time?

But you're too myopic to see that.

A friends wood burner with a flue pipe in the chimney in a two story house is difficult to light the first time after being left. The chimney sweep suggested that it was a common problem in that when left for an extended length of time the chimney gets cold and possibly the flue was damp. This creates more of a down draft which on lighting the fire restricted the upwards air flow. Sure enough on first lighting of the fire it was almost impossible to get it to draw fiercely and multiple fire lighters had to be used to get the fire to stay alight. Gradually, as the fire heated the flue/chimney the fire could be managed with ease. Subsequent lighting of the fire the next day did not have the same problems, nor was the use of fire lighters necessary.

I'm not sure that the brickwork would be necessarily warm if the chimney or flue has been left for any considerable time.