Ping ARW Re Linteq-50 led bars

Last time I looked, Horsham is not an island. So I assume you meant aisle.

Yebbut 'everybody' knows that giant mutant sea dragons will encircle it and it will become one post Brexit and or climate change...

Never fitted them. But they will cost a lot due to good CRI and dali dimming

Try similar

If you prefer fluorescent tube type fittings consider batten lights. There are now some very slim and very bright varieties our there.

I like the ones in Horsham Waitrose because of their 'boxy' angular shape. The light is really fantastic.

I'll probably end up with LED panels for cost reasons. For me, inset downlighters are just awful.

I'm quite impressed that Waitrose answered your question with useful information :)

You could send Edge Lighting an email and ask how much for one? They don't appear to have distributors so it looks like you have to buy from them.

A lot of lights are based on LED tape these days. If you can find a suitable enclosure then you could just run some tape inside, and then a separate 12V/24V/etc driver (+/- dimmer).

Theo

What about the spread of light if you are hanging them in a kitchen rather than from a warehouse where the height of the fittings may be 4+ metres ?

Having fitted some downlighters myself may years ago and later got rid of them I cannot see the appeal of downlighters at all. Watch some Youtube video and in house re-wires or renovations they are fitting dozens of them to provide little shanfts of light :)

A lot are also on some sort of flat panel metal substrate which acts as a heatsink and probably improves reliability.

My experience with LED strip that uses double sided sticky tape for attachment is the that the sticky tape gives up after a while, especially for the higher power LED strips. If considering DIY also consider the aluminium channel with the tight fitting diffuser type lens cover to give both heat-sinking and some physical constraint when the glue starts failing.

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Yes, v impressive. Sometimes almost too helpful on the phone though.

Yep, 10W/m with diffuse output is pretty common these days. I've just put some up in diffuse covered aluminium extrusion and it's very effective. Ideal for DIY enclosure construction. VTAC extrusions are very flimsy however and easily distort.

Looking at the data sheet, and the number of options, it wouldn't surprise me if they're made-to-order ... £££

I lived somewhere that had randomly scattered downlights in the kitchen ceiling. Problem was they hadn't fitted them over any of the worktops, which meant that whenever you were standing at eg the sink you were casting a deep shadow on what you were doing. Just resorted to using the strip lights under the cupboards (which were controlled by a handy switch next to the door) and ignored the ceiling lights.

Also, I hate that you have to cut holes in the ceiling which bust your insulation and fire protection.

Theo

I hate the things - and the damn holes they leave in ceilings when you want to replace them.

Does anyone like them? Were they just another thing dreamed up by designers without a thought given to their practicality?

Well they were a fashionable look back in the noughties. I have loads.

Kitchens and corridors and bathrooms only though. I dislike them in rest areas.

After 20 years I haven't any strong feelings one way or another. They allow focussed pools of brightness in work areas. But the one bathroom that I fitted with a luminaire thing is just as well lit as the one with three spotlight downlighters

In the end its all personal choice.

I think that the key word in your reply is "fashionable"... ;-)

Well yes, but just because something is fashionable doesn't *guarantee* it's utter crap. Just makes it fairly likely.

A lot of spotlights evenly spread cam make a very even illumination.

If that is what you want.

A few well positioned can create useful pools of light in work areas. But it does lend a slightly 'industrial' air to the rooms.

Friends were renting a property where the kitchen had a beamed ceiling. What the owners had done for low voltage lighting was to use halogen bulbs that clipped onto two bare wires and where multiple lengths of wire had been installed close to the ceiling between the beams. The light output was s**te but to make matters worse the total rating of the bulbs was around 350W for a relatively small area.

This was a house where fashion trumped reliability or common sense in other areas.

What it does guarantee is that it will cost 4x more.

I didn't find it that expensive. Certainly compared to 'artistic' uplighters