OT: Unopenable packaging

[T i m]

I wasn't suggesting it was, I was suggesting it could be considered a 'point'?

But wouldn't that be the same as if you were stopped whilst carrying a crowbar and you being considered 'going equipped'? I know (hope) the context should make a difference (when everyone is being reasonable), so like if you are stopped whilst coming out of your mates house that you are both rebuilding versus a young hooded 'youth' stopped at 2am (who could also be perfectly innocent of course).

As you say, as long as there is the 'onus of proof' rather than just circumstantial then most reasonable people acting reasonably should be ok carrying a 'pointed' nail file on a multitool. ;-)

Cheers, T i m

[Richard]

They could possibly assume that you were going equipped to burgle.

[T i m]

I wonder if that would be covered under their 'Lifetime' (25 year) warrantee?

"We take extraordinary measures so your Leatherman product will give you many years of dependable service. If it doesn't, we will gladly repair or replace it, at our discretion, with one of equal or greater value under our 25-year guarantee for tools and 10-year guarantee for lights. This warranty does not cover abuse, alteration, theft, loss, or unauthorized and/or unreasonable use of your Leatherman product."

No mention of an exclusion for 'wear'?

Because I always wear a belt (be it suit, jeans or shorts) my PST II lives in a leather pouch on that and I really don't know it's there (which can be an issue in itself of course when you leave it somewhere).

Cheers, T i m

p.s. Talking of warranties and knives, we had one of those little Kitchen Devil paring knives and after many years the blade broke out of the handle. We bought a new one and noticed mention of a 10 year guarantee so sent the broken one back. We received a new one by return (foc) with a note suggesting our old one was over 15 years old! ;-)

[spuorgelgoog]

You can only return that as not fit for purpose if you asked the shopkeeper if it was suitable for slotted screws and he said it was and you relied on that.

Owain

[Chris French]

In message , Richard writes

Yup, but the same requirement applies, they would have to show some evidence of intent to be able to successfully prosecute

[T i m]

So when you see these TV shows where they (the Police) happen upon a person carrying a screwdriver, crow bar and a pair of bolt croppers at midnight and they arrest them, is what they do next just to check out what / why they were there at the time or is the suspicion that they are 'going equipped' sufficient?

If the likely hood is that nothing further happens (they are un-arrested and released with no charge), would that be different to if someone was stopped whilst carrying a 'non-legal carry' work knife (one they definitely used at work, say a carpet fitter or tree surgeon) but just forgot they had in with them?

Would it be different because it isn't specifically 'a crime' to carry a crow bar and bolt cutters at night, whereas it is to carry a locking knife, 'without good reason' (and 'I forgot I had it on me' isn't a 'good reason')?

Cheers, T i m

[Chris French]

In message , T i m writes

Well, it's all about context really isn't it, what were they doing, where were they, what time was it, where they with anyone etc. etc.

I don't know the case law, but I guess that might be enough to convict depending on the circumstance (the court having to believe beyond reasonable doubt of course). In reality, I imagine that most people arrested have done something else to attract attention in the first place.

Yes , exactly.

[John Rumm]

Yup it might be worth trying that... I don't think its 25 years old quite yet...

[John Rumm]

You have to wonder though, ISTR they tried to prosecute a professional gardener because he was carrying a scythe in his van not so long ago!

[T i m]

Hmmm, that sort of is what I would guess most of us would be bothered about when conducting our normal lives.

I understand that we know we are innocent (of any wrong doing and intent) but it's when they think you are up to something.

I was stopped driving into the City and was stopped in the 'Ring of steel' as it was in those days. Long short, the Policeman found a small container of a blue jelly like liquid in the boot. Even though I knew it was just the contents of a freezer pack that had split on holiday and I was going to take back to the shop, it felt like I wanted to admit to it being explosives as that would sound more plausible than the truth ... ;-(

Cheers, T i m

[T i m]

;-)

Cheers, T i m

[cl]

Is that someone who is likely to be an american gangster (=hood)?

..... or did you mean likelihood? :-)

[T i m]

I think the latter, but as I can't (or don't think I can) change the font-size in the spell checker pop-up box, it's lucky-dip what word or words you get when I click 'ok'. The good news us that whatever you get, the word or words should be spelled ok, even if it/they aren't actually what I meant to write. ;-)

Cheers, T i m

[Davey]

Now you've lost me.

[Andy Burns]

It's not advisable to carry your chainsaw home through the streets

[dennis]

These days there are lots of things you would be ill advised to carry around unless its in a bag.

[Davey]

I have just found an old photo I took some years ago. It shows a cardboard box, approx. 18" x 12" x 8", containing a letter-sized envelope, containing an anti-static letter-sized envelope, containing a small cardboard box, maybe 3" x 3" x 2", containing a piece of antistatic foam, on which is impaled a computer chip. This was shipped by Honeywell Industrial to a jobsite.

Perfect!

[Big Les Wade]

dennis@home.?.invalid posted

Or, if it's a table leg, even *in* a bag.

[Adrian]

I idly find myself wondering how many people have been beaten to death with a table leg, compared to the number killed for carrying one.

Many more, I would imagine.