What is the real LED energy efficiency?

[Andrew]

WHAT 'Condition' ??.

You cannot buy uPVC windows that are less than C-rated, which is all that building regs specify for replacement windows.

The houses that you have to watch out for are the 'character' properties with single glazed timber windows and these could well have been replaced post-2002 with single-glazed timber windows. In the village where I live I can think of at least 2 where this has been done and it won't deter a buyer one tiny bit.

I can also point out more than one property where uPVC windows have been replaced/installed by Fensa companies and the upstairs bathroom or 3rd bedroom windows do not provide means of escape, yet these properties will have a 'certificate' and most buyers are totally clueless as to the regs anyway.

[Roland Perry]

In message <slbrnl$fs2$ [e-mail]>, at 16:37:24 on Wed, 27 Oct

2021, Andrew snipped-for-privacy@mybt>> In message <sl694q$182$ [e-mail]>, at 13:49:30 on Mon, 25 Oct

Lacking the relevant FENSA certificate.

That's all the solicitors acting for risk-averse lenders are interested in. You can argue it's all smoke and mirrors, but that won't get you the loan.

[The Natural Philosopher]

Hilarity rules.

Trying to sell my mums house 14 years ago, - house built in 19053, replacement windows - DG at various times between 1970 and 1985.

Buyers solicitor 'please supply FENSA certificates'

Legal letter saying effectively 'f*ck off - do you want the house or not?'

More legal blather till we paid £200 for insurance should anything prove to be not something or other.

End of matter.

[Roland Perry]

In message <slcblg$a0p$ [e-mail], at 21:09:19 on Wed, 27 Oct

2021, The Natural Philos>> In message <slbrnl$fs2$ [e-mail]>, at 16:37:24 on Wed, 27 Oct

Which of course updates the [legal] "condition" of the property being sold.

And a satisfied lender, presumably. But a hoop had to be jumped through.

[Jack Harry Teesdale]

There used to be a rule of thumb for domestic wiring costs that it would take a pounds worth of labour to fit a pounds worth of materials.

[Andrew]

No it didn't. There was no such thing as Fensa prior to 2002 when Part L was inflicted on us, so a complaint about the buyers solicitor should have been lodged with the law society.

[Andrew]

Or in the case of Anglian, it takes a £120 window (= manufacturing cost) to charge the mug £2000

[The Natural Philosopher]

I think you are out by a factor of ten. ten pounds labour to one pound material

Or more if the building is already built. Ive seen grown men take a day to drag three cables under a floor...

[Roland Perry]

In message <sle059$1ifq$ [e-mail]>, at 12:05:13 on Thu, 28 Oct

2021, Andrew snipped-for-privacy@mybt>> In message <slcblg$a0p$ [e-mail], at 21:09:19 on Wed, 27 Oct

So what you are saying is that a sale in 2005 should not have been conditional on [any] certificates for work done in 1985. Sounds reasonable.

However, the topic arose with regard to selling a "desirable house" (works 8yrs old), "recently".

[Roland Perry]

In message <sle08m$1ifq$ [e-mail]>, at 12:07:03 on Thu, 28 Oct

2021, Andrew [e-mail] remarked:

Window fitting is a slow and laborious process much of the time. From what I can see (of work being done locally) it's about half a man-day each, with more materials than just the frames. And then having to dispose of the old ones.

What I agree is that I don't think people are given much of a discount for economy of scale, eg three windows costs three times one window, despite only needing the one van and the commute of the same two fitters.

[Reentrant]

2016 I think. One of the exhibits/demo's in the foyer; not part of the lecture itself.

[Andrew]

The topic arose when Adam posted a link to somethign about LED light longevity. You seem to be wibbling on about things that simply don't concern buyers

[Andrew]

Local window fitting firm allows its self-employed fitters 2 hours per window.

[newshound]

Sometimes I feel a bit like King Lear too. My latest BBC irritation, in the otherwise not too bad "Geochemical history of life on earth", on the Anthropocene, was the presenter who said words to the effect that the Gaia theory said that all life forms interact. FFS, the whole novel point of the Gaia theory is that it provides evidence that life changes the *atmosphere* in ways that keep temperatures within desirable limits.

I had a moan at them about another programme that introduced a negative feedback effect that had been spotted in Finnish forests, opening with the line that "all we usually hear about in Global Warming is positive feedback".

And don't start me on the latest Which?, in their article on domestic energy prices, where they say that 40% of energy comes from renewables. They can't even tell the difference between energy and electricity.

It seems to have been quiet on ice ages recently, but there was a throw-away line somewhere saying that Global Warming had definitely headed off the next one. Given what that would be likely to do to the UK, not to mention North America and half of Europe, can't we polluters claim just a little bit of credit?

[newshound]

John Houghton used to give quite decent lectures on atmospheric physics back in the 1960's. Then he got the Met Office, and had sold out completely in his book. (I've only got the third edition, from 2004).

[newshound]

Of course they need a very significant energy input to do that.

[williamwright]

No what you need is a sheep-like willingness to believe what the media tell you; then you can become a True Believer.

Bill

[newshound]

Agreed if talking about modifying existing wiring. I guess it might not be too far off for first fix on modern design new build. Maybe second fix if using top quality kit.

[newshound]

They would be struggling *without the free energy that they have evolved to harness over millions of years*

[newshound]

Cue Linda Smith.

I'd like to deny Boris the oxygen of oxygen.