[OT] Steak restaurants

Quite so. I used to like the pancake restaurants they had in the 70s. The Dutch pancake houses still exist it appears, with *enormous* pancakes, savoury or sweet.

There are breed restrictions. Farmers are not allowed to run a dairy bull in a field having public access.

Most of the beef bulls are reckoned to be OK. Not much help if he happens to be standing on you.

That says something about aggression and genetics I think

What does public access mean? Public footpath? Lack of high fences with barbed wire; just a feeble "Private No Entry" which is just an encouragement?

:-) I was being succinct to leave some bandwidth for Tim's proselytising.

Strictly it means a public footpath, bridleway or unfenced by-way. Scotland will have different rules because they have *open access* arrangements.

I think the courts have yet to rule on injury by Bull on private farmland where the public are known to trespass.

Trespass is a civil offence and a complainant would have to prove damage for a court to take interest. In practice, the owner or someone acting as his agent, has the authority to ask you to leave, usually by the most convenient route. If he refuses, the issue can escalate where resisting being led by the arm may be treated by the police as a *breach of the peace* and a criminal offence.

On 03/10/2020 09:10, Tim Lamb wrote: <snip>

I may have misunderstood you but I thought it was well-established that the Occupiers Liability Act meant that farmers - like others - were liable to trespassers who suffer as a result of a danger the occupier should have known about and could have reasonably guarded against. And that counter-intuitively the duty may be higher where people are trespassing. See e.g.

Chef's special sauce AICMF

When the cows arrived inside a farm house I was working at I did not feel threatened like I do when I am near a horse.

Granted one of the cows crushed the step ladders against the wall and did not even notice it had done so.

Most of my field edge footpaths/bridleways (8km in less than 100acres!) are fenced off from the field. Farm within 1 mile of village centre!

Sadly *acts of God* are no longer a permitted excuse by courts and insurers so potentially falling branches/trees add to the costs of managing land.

You'll note in Daslaw above, dogs are only permitted along the line of the path. Tennis ball thrower carriers should be prosecuted:-)

And they make quite a nice walk because there is a bit of variety.

Plus a stream to wash the dogs in on the way back. ;-)

Cheers, T i m

Totally irresponsible you should NEVER feed farm animals like that at least one major disease outbreak leading to mass animal slaughter was traced to food from stray sources. How many animals have you caused the slaughter of due to your irresponsible behaviour.

You let your dogs bark at horses how irresponsible can you get.

Unfortunately as the law stands, landowners must protect stupid trespassing idiots from themselves, and fencing off a right-of-way is the only practicable way to ensure duty of care - and double fencing at that so you cant put your hand through and get it chewed by Daisy.

...for being scared at the prospect of a bit of dog spit on their hands. (When did people start using such things? Or pepper pot things to sprinkle soil of the grave of a "loved one"?)

Is that what you *actually* think or just trolling again?

When they became available and people learned how much easier they could pick the ball back up and how much further they could throw it with one.

Cheers, T i m

I think the ball throwers have the following advantages:

- not just dog dribble on the ball, but if it lands in a pile of dog mess or something else unpleasant, it doesn't have to be handled

- it saves repeatedly bending down to pick up the ball from the ground or the mouth of a small dog

- it throws the ball further, providing more enjoyment and exercise for the dog with less effort for the owner

Owain

On Sat, 3 Oct 2020 06:22:44 -0700 (PDT), snipped-for-privacy@gowanhill.com wrote: <snip>

Our rescue whippet / terrier cross *loved* her solid rubber ball and many a time I wrenched my shoulder trying to throw it far enough for her. (and I could throw it a fair way, baseball pitcher stylee but without the leg action). ;-)

Even so, it had hardly landed and she was on it.

Cheers, T i m

Indeed. Now show me the dog owner who throws the ball along the line of the path where his dog is entitled to be.