1) Computer Languages
2) Asian Rodents
3) Weather Systems.
All three specified as upper case by Jeremy Vine.
Answer: 3) Weather Systems. But the contestant correctly sussed
HTML as a computer language because it was all capitals, ... and
then he chose answer 3).
I wonder if he is going to vote on June 8th ?.
I don't understand your message so does that make me a non egg head?
To be honest many of the questions on quizzes are somewhat sailing close to
I remember Cobol, Fortran, Pascal, Modulo 2 etc. I also remember Forth and
I personally think the latter was invented to send people into loony land.
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No, on x86. It's been like that for many years. I suspect (but I'd have
to check) that it dates back to the 1990s, on multiple architectures. Ah,
yes. 1999, FreeBSD 3.1.
Really, the Forth interpreter is partly the loader, with Forth being used
for extensive scripting.
Wouldn't be surprised if the idea came from Sun, though.
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Ahh, Open Firmware, by the look of it.
"It was developed by Mitch Bradley at Sun Microsystems, and used in
post-NuBus PowerPC-based Apple Macintosh computers (though it has been
dropped with Apple's transition to Intel processors), Sun Microsystems
SPARC based workstations and servers, IBM POWER systems, and PegasosPPC
systems, among others. On those computers, Open Firmware fulfills the
same tasks as BIOS does on PC computers.For example Fedora and Debian
use the YaBoot BootLoader for Open Firmware.
The Open Firmware user interface includes a FORTH-based shell
interface. FORTH is a powerful high level language that is remarkably
compact. A complete Forth development environment including compiler,
decompiler, assembler, disassembler, source level debugger, and assembly
language debugger is present in the XO boot ROM (SPI FLASH). With the
Open Firmware Forth system, you can directly access all of the hardware
devices on the XO, use built-in functions like selftest diagnostics
and games, and even write complete applications, without needing any
external tools. The bulk of Open Firmware is written in Forth, so the
source level debugger can be used to debug Open Firmware itself."
Today is Prickle-Prickle, the 56th day of Discord in the YOLD 3183
I don't have an attitude problem.
I guess the original posting was designed to suggest either (a) quiz
contestants are so stupid nowadays, or (b) that memories are so short.
Actually I don't see why the average quiz contestant should have heard
of any of these. Algol stopped being used about 30 years ago, and while
Cobol still runs much of the banking and finance industry, and Fortran
is still heavily used for weather forecasting, the design of power
stations, aircraft, etc. and in astrophysics research, the languages
used are pretty much hidden from popular view.
I once wrote thousands of lines of Forth as it was the only language we
could get running on a PDP-8 minicomputer with very limited memory,
which we were using to test an x-ray telescope before it was launched
into space. Since I'm fairly fluent in reverse Polish (thanks to using
an HP calculator) I didn't think Forth was so strange. The lack of a
GOTO statement sometimes required some awkward work-arounds, but to
those who say that a language can't work without one: well Forth is a
I still use an RPN calculator on the phone and tablet (as well as an HP
When I started in research (1970) there were still manual "Facit"
calculators around, and the electromechanical ones were not uncommon. A
lot of calculations were done on "analysis pads" because turnround was a
day for mainframe jobs. In our well funded group of about ten
scientists, we shared two canon calculators which were about the size of
portable typwriters. Square roots, but no scientific functions. We had a
budget of getting on for £1k (a year's salary for a new graduate) for a
new one, with scientific functions. Then along came the HP-35. We had
all read the literature, so the salesman who brought one in just said
"Here it is then" and handed it over. It took us about two minutes to
decide to order three. (About the same time we acquired a PDP8-F with a
teletype as a data logger, it was a while before we added 8 inch
floppies to it).
How much was the HP35?
I bought (and still have) a cylindrical slide rule that I bought in
1974. Around 1975, I bought a simple electronic calculator for around
£10. Before that, I used a Monroe mechanical calculator, which I still have.
I wish I could remember, I think it was about £250. $395 in the States,
I see from Wikipedia that it came out in 1972, not sure if it arrived in
the UK the same year. It had an interesting bug, see for example
Sinclair started selling cheap scientific calculators by about 1975.
On Wednesday, May 10, 2017 at 8:47:58 PM UTC+1, newshound wrote:
My first calculator c.1975 was a Commodore GL987R, which had memory functio
ns and a percentage key and was rechargeable. About £17 according to a
n advert in New Scientist. Then I got a Commodore SR7919D with maths and me
mory functions a couple of years later and the price had dropped to around
£12. It was particularly cheap and nasty. Then it was various Casios,
still got an FX85WA kicking around my desk drawer.
I got into computers when my MSc involved using a PDP8S,
the serial one, as the controller for a machine I developed
that measured fluorescent decay to better than nest and
did the number crunching on an IBM 360/50
The first HP35 showed up well after that.
I stopped writing Fortran in 1978 and moved to BCPL, and then C. These
scripting, since it comes with OS X and shell script languages are
little better than line noise.
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you were my wife, I'd drink it."
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