Owing to an unfortunate incident when my 300tdi Disco 1 was being welded
at a local garage, I am having to look for a replacement. It was 12yo
when I got it 8 years ago, so I'm looking at something of that age (12)
Can anyone comment on whether td5's or Range Rover td6's are as
unreliable as everyone is telling me, and should I keep searching for a
solid Disco 1? There seem to be very few diesel autos left.
Any suggestions for anything else with occasional decent comfort that
will tow a 3.5ton boat?
He is, but he is one of the ones saying don't get a td5. His son has a
good solid 300tdi, but there are very few good autos (needed because of
ageing knees) locally.
And 20 years is a long time, so I was thinking of throwing some cash in
to buy youth.
D2s are basically the same as D1s. The TD5 is a good engine (with
caveats) but the late TD5s pretty well had all the problems sorted. They
are generally better on fuel than 300tdi's.
I look after a friend's 10-previous owner, 2000 TD5 with 194k on the
clock. It was bought as a buttons priced replacement for a 300tdi and I
spent a while fettling it and going over all the standard problem areas.
It has done 2.5 years and 22k and, this weekend, dumped itself at the
side of the road for the first time - looks like a split rad. This isn't
so much a recommendation as a bloody miracle.
Build quality is crap - that's British car manufacturing all over - but
parts are cheap.
* Air springs - actually very reliable. Failed level senders cause them
to over inflate and burst.
* Oil pump bolt - they forgot to threadlock years' worth of TD5 oil
drive sprockets. Fixed on later cars.
* HG failure - "lets use plastic head locating dowels, nothing can go
wrong." Probably all sorted or scrapped by now.
* World's worst ally. Instead of going to a proper company, LR went to
Jones the Scrap and bought any old crap and had it badly moulded into
many, many different engine parts. Result, threads rip out of housings,
water bosses corrode, etc etc.
* Chassis rust, say no more. But mostly the sections from rear axle
* Manual gearboxes (I know you want an auto!) - they used the same R380
gearbox but somehow managed to make it less reliable than on the older
cars. Cretins, every single employee that ever was!
Re D3s. I know two brothers, each with a D3 TDV6 and doing much the same
work and routes, bought about 6 months apart. Whatever the older car
suffers with (at regular intervals), the newer car suffers 6 months
later. They curse that, although this isn't worse than previous Discos
they've had, getting them sorted at the local garage is far more expensive.
Where are we going and why am I in this handbasket?
Thanks, Scott, that's really useful. I have had a long td5 problem list
verbally reeled off to me too fast to remember, although I remember
water pumps and electronics being highlighted.
There is a local 2004 Range Rover at what seems like a good price, but
I'm not sure that the split tailgate would be any use with the way I
pile all the tools and old rope etc into the back. My Disco had a huge
quantity of my tools in the back, and I still have to sort what is
recoverable. The Aldi remainder-bin battery drills melted. All 3.
A son knows of a good, cheap 2004 Jeep Cherokee down in and, I think,
banned from London, but he had a petrol one before and I don't remember
positive reliability, and I don't think it will tow what I want. The
usage pattern is: it has to sit in the path without moving for weeks on
end, then start instantly, drive 100 miles, do a long tow, then juggle
trailer into really awkward space. Then another month or 2 sitting idle.
It also has to be ready to fill in for the car when that's off the road,
as we have a nightly task with an almost disabled lady. We used to tow
fishing boats about fields, but we have sailed to a posh marina now.
With the 300tdi, I think in 8 years we only had welding, one battery and
one alternator belt. About every 2 years, I topped up the oil, and that
Water pump seals go and it weeps out of the back of the housing. Like
many Disco problems, this is more indicative of the crappy aftermarket
Britpart parts supply than anything else. OEM ones last ok.
Electronics: Mechanics know almost nothing about electronics and view
all componentry the same way a 15th century smith would view the
industrial revoltion. The only stock fault I can think of is oil getting
into the injector wiring loom (they're internal to the head) and
leeching down the wire to the ECU where it upsets it and starts causing
stuttering and poor running.
I'd rather have a Disco than a Jeep any day of the week! I vaguely
recall reading that they're not particularly reliable.
Where are we going and why am I in this handbasket?
First TD5 I had in Y reg Disco II was fine, so was the entire car
basically just service and fuel. 92,000 miles 60,000 by me, but it
didn't like hitting small bushy tree at 40 mph sideways. B-(
Second Disco II 04 plate was not such a good car, sound enough but
the car was not a "service and fuel" one. About every 15 months
something would go wrong with it. It had new injector seals new
injector new fuel pump, 3 if not four air springs, several front
hubs, worse 2 ECUs they just don't go wrong or fail except in this
car. Had it from 2008 (33,000 miles) to 2015 (139,000 miles) when it
had to go as it was becoming too much of a money pit. The suspension
needed a complete over haul, I suspect the near side hub was about to
go along with the ball joint swivels.
12 years ago is about when they stopped making the Disco II let alone
the Disco I... The 04 DII I had was one of the last to made, maybe
that's why it was never very good?
The Disco III has avery poor reputation, mechanically, electronicly
Donno about the Disco IV.
How ever the garage recovered my DII on a 6 wheel flat bed Ivor
Williams trailer pulled by a Range Rover Sport auto. You didn't know
it was pulling anything, not sure what engine it had though.
As always there will be range of reliabilty. But the owner of the LR
specialist garage I use loves DIII's as he sees them so much. Hates
the Freelander II as he only ever sees them for servicing, which for
the diesel is every 16,000 miles.
Depends on the garage (LR dealer or just a car sales place) and the
age/condition. My last DII was also straight out the door from the
dealers (14 years old 139,000 miles...). If it was less than 5(?)
years old and low mileage, or higher milage but younger, with FSH,
etc a LR dealer might make it a "Land Rover Approved" one but
otherwise straight out the door.
My TD5 defender never let me down in any serious way. Fuel pumps seem to
be the usual cause of 'bugger it wont start'
The two freelander TD4s I have had have also been OK apart from fuel
pumps but seem to have had more 'little things go wrong than the
Defender. Of course they have more 'little things' TO go wrong.
Occasional decent comfort aint a Defender!
Try one of the jap 4x4s.
Global warming is the new Margaret Thatcher. There is no ill in the
world it's not directly responsible for.
On Tuesday, 20 October 2015 20:14:36 UTC+1, Bill wrote:
I have had three Isuzu Troopers. No longer made but parts still available. Available quite cheap now.
The early ones had leaf springs, the later ones had independent suspension (and are better for it).
Excellent vehicle all round and good off road performance (better than Land Rover.)
Try and avoid ones previously owned by farmers.
There are not many 4x4s rated to tow 3.5tons and i don't have to tell
you not to mess with towing weights and rates if you are going to tow
further than across a yard. The big Toyotas will do it. Mitsubishi
Pajeros only 2.8 tons.
The cheap alternative to an overpriced landrover is a LWB transit or
equivalent medium van. Plus you can sleep in it if you don't mind
roughing it a bit (which you don't if you have a boat).
I used to tow horse trailers with Daihatsu Fourtraks, not especially
comfortable but very reliable. Not sure if they have autos. Rated to 3.5
Isusu Troopers and Mitsubishi Shoguns are high spec, comfortable, have
nice auto boxes (but Tim is quite right to check tow rating, I've never
needed to tow 3.5). Toyotas appear to be indistructable, but not so
common. Quite a lot of the big Jap ones are petrol rather than diesel,
but I have seen LNG conversions on them.
On Wed, 21 Oct 2015 18:36:05 +0100, newshound wrote:
Very popular with the farmers round these parts, but getting long in the
tooth, and rot-prone.
I was talking to a neighbour with an S-reg SWB LandCruiser the other day.
Not only are they ludicrously expensive used, keeping value better than
anything this side of a G-wagen, but they're also rot-prone.
LPG, more like. Straightforward, but you need to put the tanks somewhere
- and if you want any kind of sensible range, it's going to be a big one.
I think I'd be looking at some of the big 4x4 pickups, with a truckman
top on, if you can cope with the load bay being a bit less secure. Mind
you, another neighbour's just lost his second Navara to a very similar
self-immolation to the last one...
I suspect that 2wd will be the big killer for a van, even though it'd
definitely be the cheapest way to tow 3.5t. Trying to drag that kind of
weight over anything but a good surface with 2wd will be... challenging.
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