OT ICE engined cars to be banned in Netherlands?

http://www.independent.co.uk/environment/climate-change/netherlands-petrol-car-ban-law-bill-to-be-passed-reduce-climate-change-emissions-a7197136.html
All cars to be electric.
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On Fri, 19 Aug 2016 14:25:56 -0700, harry wrote:

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Well, that's a bit of a leap. Banning sale, not use.
And not until 2025.
And the legislation is not a certainty.
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On Friday, 19 August 2016 22:32:50 UTC+1, Bob Eager wrote:

A good way to kick start their economy if thy have made the preparations.
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On 20/08/16 01:37, Weatherlawyer wrote:

A good way to kick their economy in the nuts if thy have made the preparations.
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On 8/20/2016 6:52 AM, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

Don't need much range in the Netherlands. Also no hills. (Don't really disagree with you though).
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Most people in Europe frequently cross borders.
Suggesting that the Dutch only need the range to reach Dutch locations is silly
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I'd guess the vast number of Dutch cars are imported? If not all?
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whatever happened to DAF?
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If the legislation goes through, I presume the Netherlands will invest heavily in recharging points. Hopefully by 2025 battery technology will have improved enough for people to be able to make long journeys by electric cars without having to stop every n-hundred miles for an overnight recharging stop.
If I could get an electric car that had the same range (700 miles per filling) and the same refill time (about 5 mins max for 60 litres / 700 miles) then I might consider an electric car. I wonder what they are like to drive. I presume electric cars have a single-speed gearing between motor and wheels, ad can set off from the motor being at rest, without needing a variety of ratios to match a limited range of motor speeds to a wide range of road speeds and without needing a clutch.
Do hybrid cars use mechanical transmission from the IC engine to the wheels, or are they permanently driven by the motor, with power coming either from the batteries or the engine driving a generator?
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On 20/08/16 13:40, NY wrote:

Me too.
I wonder what they are

No. Usually a couple of gears minimum

No clutch unless maybe a centrifugal.

Pass: I think both
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Never considered an auto? ;-)
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On Saturday, 20 August 2016 13:39:42 UTC+1, NY wrote:

There are various designs. The simplest is a front wheel drive ICE with and electric rear wheel drive. The mechanical connection is the highway.
There are series designs (similar to submarines and parellel devices. I expect at some point one system or the other will come out on top.
Electric "motors" and "generators" are the same thing. In electric cars one device does both.
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On Saturday, 20 August 2016 13:39:42 UTC+1, NY wrote:

700 mile ranges are not even on the horizon. There might be cars where the battery electrolyte is changed to "recharge" the battery.
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That's ok, because most petrol cars don't do that. Mine does 250. Ok I don't drive carefully, but there's no way it would do 700.
The only problem with electric is you can't charge them in 5 minutes.
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wrote:

what, at any price
or is price still a barrier for you
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I'd not hold my breath. Since the very first electric car well over 100 years ago, the quest has been on for better batteries. As it is for virtually every type of portable electric device. The chances of some breakthrough that will provide what you want at a affordable price, remote.
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As I have been trying to tell someone else, in a discussion elsewhere.
He claims that I am wrong and the breakthroughs (as there needs to be more than one) really are just around the corner this time.
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On 21/08/16 12:07, tim... wrote:

In this case I can say that of all the greenybollox spouted, this one is, with heat pumps, the closest to being a realistic option.
Lithium air batteries have the theoretical energy density, but are impossible to make meet other specs like cost and safety right now.
1000 mile range might be possible. Since most people don't do that much in a month, fast charge wouldn't then be so important.,

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On 20/08/16 13:24, charles wrote:

Still make (Leyland) trucks.

Spyker
http://www.spykercars.com/
Donkervoort
http://www.donkervoort.com/en/
etc etc.
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Disappeared without trace, hopefully. ;-)
Didn't it get taken over by Renault?
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