OT: fast fibre for West Sussex

Virgin keep sending flyers saying how switching to fibre will save me over £600/year, they'd have to pay me £25/month to do that, plus they don't give static addresses on home connections.

A friend lives in a village with gigaclear, I think he has the

100up/100down service for about £50/month ... bit stingy though they don't provide SMTP/POP/IMAP at all.
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Andy Burns
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Even in cases when that happens, there is still ample argument for better near end connection since its rare these days to only have one user and one device on a broadband connection. So if you are waiting for a slow download due to lack of capacity at the server end, at least you are not suffering local contention for capacity when someone in the other room is watching iplayer, or your phone decides now is a good time to suck down a couple of 100 MB of updates etc.

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John Rumm

ISPs are slowly ceasing to provide anything but bandwidth. I have very mixed feelings about this.

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Huge

Virgin cable can be quite cost effective solutions for small businesses especially when business grade FTTC with a SLA is usually around the £50/month for a 80/15 Mbps connection. The cable option will give you

350/15 for the same money or a bit more upstream for an extra £5
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John Rumm

The ones near me almost always have the door open sometimes flapping in the wind, why don;t that have locks on them that work it seems such a simple s olution. My landline went down before xmas than again just after because of the cabi net, in fact the engineer drove past I saw him I thought he'd go my door nu mber wrong but he returned on foot saying yes it's usually something wring in the cabinets but he stil needed acess to my phone to check the line. So he came in connect his test phone and said yep it;s working now and left . I had to take a day off work and hang around until 3pm !

You'd have thought they would suspect this or someone just taking or delive ring the piss to the cabinet. Some of them make quite a humming noise too.

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whisky-dave

TBH its fine with me

I can manage all the rest.

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The Natural Philosopher

Well so can I, for me; but it's the talking friends through configuring gmail for SMTP sending without munging addresses, or getting them to move their domain to a provider who provides SMTP relay without charging a monthly fee for a mailbox they etc, etc ...

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Andy Burns

I have BT fibre here - copper local end. Had a recent upgrade from 35 megathingies to 50 - and their test site says so too. Not a scrap of difference in performance here at all. Still get occasional buffering when watching catch up, etc.

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Dave Plowman (News)

You should try it with 3Mb or aggregate bandwidth (which is what I get adding both my broadband connections together). Then you would notice a difference! (I got bought a game for my birthday - it took me over a week to download it!)

I suspect you would also notice the difference between 35 and 50 on

*big* downloads, but I would not expect any noticeable difference for web surfing etc unless there were also other heavy users in the house.
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John Rumm

Yup, bloody adverts using pointless hi-res graphics or annoying videos seem to have slurped all the benefits of broadband IMHO.

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Andrew

I tried a couple of the online newspapers in the library, where there is no adblocker, nor the admin privs to install one, and it was noticibly slower than my home PC on ADSL2+ but with an adblocker.

And there is a green cabinet about 50 feet away from the library.

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Andrew

bull...given that only 80% of the population is within 1.2km of a cabinet or not on EO!

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bt

99.999%? So there are only 233 households in the UK where it isn't suitable?

Funny that they are all within 2 miles of me.

Andy

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Vir Campestris

telephone

As I understand FTTN the "node" refers to a fibre "node" ie a place in the physical fibre infrastructure where there is joint/split in the fibres. Jointing fibres is a little harder than copper so they tend to have the actual jointing "bullet" with long bit;s of duct attached so they can remove it from the dirty, exposed, chamber and put into the relativey clean and dry back of the van.

See above is there already fibre close by? Most fibre is buried and you wouldn't know it was there unless you look in a hole in the ground and see a "cable" with a yellow stripe along it's length. Fibre passes within yards of our front door but you wouldn't know it was there without looking in a chamber.

Spotted some brand new Openreach *FTTP* works yesterday. New poles, pole mounted fibre jointing boxes, 8 way "plugin" fibre DPs at pole tops, local distribution between poles overhead, one pole feed from undergound probably from a large chamber that has had some ground works done recently. Milton, Cumbria on the A689, the P's are houseing not commercial.

Wonder how Openreach/Wholesale are marketing it and which ISPs offer it?

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Dave Liquorice

Me too, can't really put my finger on why I'm "uneasy" about it. Something to do with massive providers, mail or WHY being stored on machines outside UK jurisdiction along with "safe" backup copies for when (not if) a provider, who I have no contract with, drops everything on the floor and can't pick it back up.

Ditto. But most of the Great Unwashed haven't any idea how "the internet" works.

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Dave Liquorice

buffering

ADLS2 gives us about 4 Mbps, don't see buffering on iPlayer and wouldn't expect to that only runs at about 2.5 Mbps for "HD". I do have an ISP that does it's damndest not to be a bottle neck or apply traffic shaping. The same can't be said for most other ISPs...

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Dave Liquorice

Nope, then only underground service in the area is gas, everything else is on a pole.

No chambers to look in here! (some of the telecoms stuff does eventually go underground - but over a mile away).

Possibly depends on who is (part) paying for it. If its all openreach then they will probably resell it through any interested ISP as usual. If someone else is paying some of the cost, then the deal may be more limited.

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John Rumm

Can't even get ADSL2+ here - still running G.DMT (aka ADSL Max - "up to

8Mb"). Since my links are only load balanced and not properly trunked / aggregated the highest single throughput connection I can get is about 1.5Mbps

It can manage youtube at 360p, and sometimes 480p but only on a good day when there is nothing much else competing for bandwidth.

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John Rumm

Where did I say "ADSL2+"? All we have available if ADSL2, like you the "up to 8 Mbps" service. There is FTTC on the exchange and our line passes through a shiny new cabinet next to a VDSL one so it's no longer "exchange only". Trouble is that cabinet is just across the road from the exchange 3+ km away...

I keep hearing about G.Fast and how that will "improve access" except all I can find out about it, is that any improvements are inside the first mile...

OK. B-( If there is 4G about that'll be significantly faster but contracts/bundles are relatively expensive. I've Asda Mobile and a 4G dongle as a backup. The tarrif is 5p/MB a £20 bundle with 6GB of data is 0.3255p/MB, my ISP is 0.000125p/MB...

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Dave Liquorice

You have gas? Cor... Lecky is poles. Phones is buried alongside the roads and only pops up pole(s) to get to individual properties.

Sort of surprised about that, the vast majority of the roads around here have a chamber every 200 m. Mind you some are very over grown. When they installed the fibre duct many of the covers had to be literally dug out of the verge, 6" to a foot down, once they had found them...

Hum like FTTPoD? Right marketing mess that was. Still failry steep install costs, *if* there is a fibre node in the chamber 200 m away I reckoned the install would be about £1000. Rental wasn't particulary attractive either.

AIUI Openreach run an open network, they can't restrict who they sell to, wether anyone wants to buy a given offering is another matter, see FTTPoD... Also I suspect it's been paid for by Cumbria County Council/BDUK as part of Phase 2.

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Dave Liquorice

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