what power failure ?. Its fine in Sussex

[Andrew]

Not sure what is going on but everything is normal in West Sussex.

[Andrew]

I bet LT are regretting shutting down Lots Road ??, and relying on National Grid.

[Bob Eager]

OK here in East Kent.

[Tim Streater]

+1

[Andrew Gabriel]

Reading between the lines of what National Grid told the news, it sounds like load shedding due to two power generators failing at the same time.

[Andy Burns]

couldn't see any system warning messages on the elexon/bmreports/etc sites

[mm0fmf]

Just getting people used to post no-deal Brexit life in the UK. It will become the new normal.

[newshound]

But separate cuts in North West, Newcastle, Yorkshire, Midlands, South East, South West (as far as Cornwall), and Wales?

Before I realised how widespread it was I wondered whether it was a failure of one of the main north-south 400kV lines (or substations). Sounds as though it might be a bit more complex. Not one of those cascade failures (cf New York) that take out everything in one area.

[Andrew Gabriel]

More info from a spokesman - a gas turbine dropped off and a wind farm dropped off, causing the frequency to fall below initial load shedding level. It did say which wind farm and gas turbine they were, but I didn't catch it.

[newshound]

So would that have been automatic load shedding, or manual, I wonder?

I guess at this time of year there is plenty of grid capacity for power flows so you would not have to load shed particularly locally to the failures.

[The Natural Philosopher]

If teh oither mike is correct, this was entorely due to EU mandated renewable energy being foisted on the grid - and failing.

So if the guvmint is sensible, Brexit will in time fix it.

[Roger Hayter]

But you perfectly well know that a) we are one of the prime movers in EU carbon policy and b) no foreseeable government is going to be sensible in the terms you mean it.

[The Natural Philosopher]

No, we are not.

and b) no foreseeable government is going to be sensible

that remains to be seen.

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[ARW]

I wonder if things were normal in Norfolk?

[Andrew]

Maybe a strange vibration in the Reliant Robin, but that's all :-)

[The Natural Philosopher]

Its pretty close to sizewell..

I had no power cut but my ISP did.

Lost its ATM interfaces to BT's backhaul as far as I could see.

[dennis]

Yet more cr@p from TNP.

The UK is/was a major driver in the desire to cut back emissions, they were one of the ones pushing for the EU limits.

In fact we already had targets set before the EU agreed them for the rest.

So stop blaming the EU for anything and everything you paranoid little man.

[dennis]

Yes we are and we lie about the causes of climate change too.

Not a chance that boris will do anything to relax controls, far more likely he will up the carbon tax as he will need the cash to pay for the bribes.

[Bob Eager]

Nothing is ever normal in Norfolk.

[Brian Gaff]

And in Chessington as well.

The whole problem as has been demonstrated in other countries and here before is that certain failure scenarios send the computer controlled system into protection mode with not much warning. Besides since one of the failings was a wind farm, and knowing our record of wrong type of snow or leaves on the line it has to be wrong kind of wind in this case. The see was rough in the wrong place I expect and most of the turbines were finding it too windy in any case. As for the gas power station its obvious that they had not been told that the local Gas main was being replaced that day.

grin Brian